[Arm-netbook] Logging and journaling

[Allan Mwenda]

It got really heated in here
Dear Luke, please just ship stock versions of the distros you promised. Customers will feel very cheated if they don't get what you promised. If SystemD nukes the card as it were, then it'll be Debian devs problem not yours, as you already provide libre well documented hardware. 
If indeed you want systemd-less versions of the distros you promised let them be officially supported ones, but I repeat yet again, don't ship a Frankendistro. 

On February 9, 2017 8:21:56 PM GMT+03:00, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
>---
>crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
>
>
>On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Julie Marchant <onpon4 at riseup.net>
>wrote:
>> On 02/09/2017 11:45 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>>>  (2) putting on angband.pl's nosystemd repositories.  this is "hard
>>> work" for me to both set up, and for others to remove (revert) just
>as
>>> you say, so i am unlikely to do it... but it's an option.
>>
>>>   for my laptop i'm using angband.pl's nosystemd, which is not kept
>>> up-to-date with security updates
>>
>> Luke, for the love of God and for your own sake, please do not
>> distribute something to your customers that doesn't receive reliable
>> security updates
>
> i will not be distributing something that doesn't receive reliable
>security updates.  i appreciate you raising this, it's important.
>
> ah.  i see where you got the misimpression from.  *angband.pl* does
>not keep up to date with security updates.  however that is my
>personal laptop.  i would not recommend *to anyone* that they follow
>(qty 1000 or 10,000) what i use for my *personal* laptop.  it's a
>highly complex and comprehensive specialist setup.
>
>
>>  because of your personal preferences. If someone's
>> machine gets compromised because of this, it will tarnish your
>> reputation. Remember your target audience: they're not the type of
>> people to go into a command-line and do...
>
> then what i might do instead is get debian-installer set up instead.
>i cannot and will not give something to people that i know will cause
>them pain or distress, even if they don't understand it.
>
> lots of possibilities, and some time to think about them.
>
> bob's definition of "an ethical act" applies here, so if anyone else
>can think of something that we've missed, so that it becomes possible
>(as best we can) to come up with a solution that people are in *100%*
>agreement is acceptable, that would be... good.
>
>l.
>
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