<html><head></head><body>It got really heated in here<br>
Dear Luke, please just ship stock versions of the distros you promised. Customers will feel very cheated if they don't get what you promised. If SystemD nukes the card as it were, then it'll be Debian devs problem not yours, as you already provide libre well documented hardware. <br>
If indeed you want systemd-less versions of the distros you promised let them be officially supported ones, but I repeat yet again, don't ship a Frankendistro. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On February 9, 2017 8:21:56 PM GMT+03:00, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">---<br />crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: <a href="https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68">https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68</a><br /><br /><br />On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Julie Marchant <onpon4@riseup.net> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 02/09/2017 11:45 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> (2) putting on <a href="http://angband.pl">angband.pl</a>'s nosystemd repositories. this is "hard<br /> work" for me to both set up, and for others to remove (revert) just as<br /> you say, so i am unlikely to do it... but it's an option.<br /></blockquote><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> for my laptop i'm using <a href="http://angband.pl">angband.pl</a>'s nosystemd, which is not kept<br /> up-to-date with security updates<br /></blockquote><br /> Luke, for the love of God and for your own sake, please do not<br /> distribute something to your customers that doesn't receive reliable<br /> security updates<br /></blockquote><br /> i will not be distributing something that doesn't receive reliable<br />security updates. i appreciate you raising this, it's important.<br /><br /> ah. i see where you got the misimpression from. *<a href="http://angband.pl">angband.pl</a>* does<br />not keep up to date with security updates. however that is my<br />personal laptop. i would not recommend *to anyone* that they follow<br />(qty 1000 or 10,000) what i use for my *personal* laptop. it's a<br />highly complex and comprehensive specialist setup.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> because of your personal preferences. If someone's<br /> machine gets compromised because of this, it will tarnish your<br /> reputation. Remember your target audience: they're not the type of<br /> people to go into a command-line and do...<br /></blockquote><br /> then what i might do instead is get debian-installer set up instead.<br />i cannot and will not give something to people that i know will cause<br />them pain or distress, even if they don't understand it.<br /><br /> lots of possibilities, and some time to think about them.<br /><br /> bob's definition of "an ethical act" applies here, so if anyone else<br />can think of something that we've missed, so that it becomes possible<br />(as best we can) to come up with a solution that people are in *100%*<br />agreement is acceptable, that would be... good.<br /><br />l.<br /><br /><hr /><br />arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk<br /><a href="http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook">http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook</a><br />Send large attachments to arm-netbook@files.phcomp.co.uk</pre></blockquote></div><br>
-- <br>
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</body></html>