arm-netbook June 2017

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test, please ignore
by Andreas Grapentin 21 Jun '17

21 Jun '17

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Re: [Arm-netbook] mailing list etiquette
by ronwirring＠Safe-mail.net 21 Jun '17

21 Jun '17

From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl(a)lkcl.net>Apparently from: arm-netbook- > On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 6:35 PM, <ronwirring(a)safe-mail.net> wrote: > > do you, through not listening to what you are being told, *genuinely* > wish to force me to take such action? No. I maintain that I prefer an email to display all previous pieces of information.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] mailing list etiquette
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 21 Jun '17

21 Jun '17

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Brendan Sleight <bms.debian(a)barwap.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 6:35 PM, <ronwirring(a)safe-mail.net> wrote: >> No. I maintain that I prefer an email to display all previous > > No doubt you do, but this is a community. “Logic clearly dictates that > the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” - Spock it's a leetle more complex than that, brendan, but... yeah. > Luke - I would be grateful if you could reduce the members on this > list to those who can follow the RFC. i am reluctant to take such draconian action without going through intermediate less drastic steps, explained at each and every stage to give him an opportunity to understand fully the gravity and consequences (inconvenience to others), so i've placed his messages under moderation as an intermediate step. that makes for a hell of a lot of otherwise unnecessary work for me but that's just how these things go. l.

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EOMA68-A20 2.7.4 pre-production prototypes received and working
by Andrew Bolin 18 Jun '17

18 Jun '17

> > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:02:07 +0100 > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl(a)lkcl.net> > > it was discovered that the VIAs underneath the pads for the JAE DC3 > Micro-HDMI connector are sucking the solder paste in and down, leaving > the pins not properly connected. > ... if anyone knows any tricks i would appreciate hearing them. > Can you enlarge the solder mask for these pads, thus providing enough solder to both fill the via and make the connection? This is the standard recommendation when using thermal pads / thermal vias.

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u-boot A20 sunxi, added SPL dual MMC boot
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 18 Jun '17

18 Jun '17

http://git.rhombus-tech.net/?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/sunxi it's a feature that's present in quite a lot of versions of u-boot but not in the sunxi one: i added a means to check *two* MMC slots in the early SPL loader. the problem without such a feature is: you can only boot from one MMC slot, even if you compile u-boot with support for two MMC slots... because the early SPL loader *only recognises loading u-boot from one MMC slot*. for those people not familiar with the A20 boot process: http://linux-sunxi.org/BROM#A10.2FA20 the BROM loads from a very specific sector of either MMC0 or MMC2 (in that order). maximum code size: 16k bytes. loading a full u-boot is not possible so u-boot has to be boot-strapped (aka SPL loader). the *existing* sunxi SPL loader *only* supports loading from a *single* MMC card slot. l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

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mailing list etiquette
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 18 Jun '17

18 Jun '17

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Lars Kruse <lists(a)sumpfralle.de> wrote: > Hi Ron, > > > Am Sat, 17 Jun 2017 13:35:59 -0400 > schrieb ronwirring(a)Safe-mail.net: > >> [..] >> I prefere if others leave the full text in their emails. >> I prefere to not delete text in my own replies. >> I cannot make that decision about my replies? > > I could image, that Luke would like the participants of this mailinglist to use > a style similar to the one defined in RFC1985 ("Netiquette", see section 2.1.1): https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt RFC 1855 not 1955. took a few minutes to find it. section 2.1.1 is a little dated, but 95% relevant. interestingly it contains no specific advice for mailing list interaction. this example contains good advice on mailing list etiquette: http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php please read - and follow and adhere to - section 9, ron. please also follow the link which leads here and read it: http://howto-pages.org/posting_style/ > Be brief without being overly terse. When replying to a message, > include enough original material to be understood but no more. It > is extremely bad form to simply reply to a message by including > all the previous message: edit out all the irrelevant material. > > > Since Luke maintains this mailinglist, I find it to be acceptable, that he > can define the communication policy of this list, if he prefers so. i do. i used to be quite lax about it but i feel it is becoming important. > Specifically in this case he is following a widely used style - even though we > are all aware of the fact, that there are different communities or contexts out > there using very different styles with regard to quoting. for a "chatty" list such as a support self-help (e.g. alcoholics anonymous) group, top-posting would be the norm as most people would interact with either single-sentence (top-posted) replies of encouragement, or they would write massive walls-of-text to which it would be typically be perfectly fine to top-post. this list is not such a list. this is a technical list and it can get very busy and very complex very quickly. following interaction rules that have been developed over many decades for technical lists would be a good idea. http://howto-pages.org/posting_style/ l.

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mailing list etiquette
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 18 Jun '17

18 Jun '17

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 6:35 PM, <ronwirring(a)safe-mail.net> wrote: >> ron hi please remember to cut context. there is 3 paragraphs >> comprising several hundred words, repeated, followed by a single >> sentence and then a single-sentence question. >> >> these last two sentences are the only relevant context: the rest of >> the context you have forced over 400 people to re -read unnecessarily. > > > > I have not forced anyone to read anything. ron: there are over 400 people on this list. many of them receive hundreds of messages per day. they read them all. they do not know that you are violating the rules of the list until they begin to read your message. when they find, after several seconds of scrolling down, that their time has been completely wasted because nothing has been added, they are going to be pissed. > Anyone may ignore my emails. ron: if the mailing list administrator tells you that you're disobeying the rules of interaction which put people to significant inconvenience, do you believe that it is ok to respond with such a sentence? > You know where to look. It is where there are no '>'. and how long does it take to do that? it takes a long time, ron. people are forced to scroll down for a significant amount of time. if they have a hundred or several hundred messages to read each day, and they are forced to scroll down more than is necessary only to find that there was nothing new added, because there is one person who does not respect the rules which make their lives easier, how long do you think they are going to continue to contribute to that llist? > I prefere if others leave the full text in their emails. that is fine if you are interacting privately: it is not fine when you are interacting with 400 people. you have been asked multiple times to respect the rules of the list. > I prefere to not delete text in my own replies. your personal preferences are not relevant when it comes to interacting with 400 other people. > I cannot make that decision about my replies? yes you can, because you are being requested to do so by the mailing list administrator. out of respect for others, you are being requested to follow the rules of interaction set for this list. you do not set the rules for this list: i set the rules for this list. i get the impression that you are not really listening or respecting what i am saying, ron. that therefore forces me to escalate matters. if you do not respond indicating that you intend to respect the rules of this list (standard netiquette) then reluctantly i will be forced to escalate to moderation of your messages until such time as you do listen. this will place a huge burden of extra work onto me, as for every single message that you send i will receive a notification, then i will be forced to go to a web interface, then i will be forced to read and review your message in full, and then either approve or reject i, writing a review each and every time explaining why your message is being rejected, should it be rejected. do you, through not listening to what you are being told, *genuinely* wish to force me to take such action? what do you think the implications would be of forcing me to take such action to protect this list and its members? would you agree that it would be a good idea for you to say "whoops i'm sorry, i understand now that this is serious, i will listen and follow your advice so that i do not inconvenience so many people" ? l.

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Fwd: [trinity-devel] TDE Fundraiser
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 17 Jun '17

17 Jun '17

please do distribute to interested parties / lists, TDE (aka KDE 3.5) is strategically quite important as it's one of the remaining comprehensive desktop environments that is also light-weight and relevant. l. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:19 PM Subject: [trinity-devel] TDE Fundraiser To: trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA224 All, It's that time of year again! As we look toward the release of Debian Stretch and another version of TDE, I'd like to ask for your continued support to help keep TDE online. This year I'm going to try something new. If you donate $40 to TDE [1], I will allow 2 months access to the nightly build repositories that now include Debian Stretch and Raspbian Jessie. Additionally, I'd like those who donate at this level to nominate two bugs that I will personally look into (excepting those relating to support for Wayland, Qt4/Qt5, or Webkit). This way your donations have a direct and positive effect on TDE itself, and TDE can continue to exist in its current form. Personally I would suggest the LibreOffice integration bug or possibly an update of the GTK3 theme engine to fix the rendering bugs as potential candidates, but in the end it's up to you! A full listing of open bugs is available here: http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&content=&no_… As always, thank you for your support and continued feedback -- we couldn't develop TDE without it! Tim [1] https://trinitydesktop.org/donate.php -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iFYEARELAAYFAlj3qjAACgkQLaxZSoRZrGEhXwDcDpHwUy8Z77OEEKHrdVMSqlcW 6uT+v3pMwqNAXQDeM9WnwPpziYGFQIsfb5I6DiVBLNsZaBL2tab+yw== =FFOS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-devel-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-devel-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

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Re: [Arm-netbook] bunnie about riscv
by ronwirring＠Safe-mail.net 17 Jun '17

17 Jun '17

-------- Original Message -------- From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl(a)lkcl.net> Apparently from: arm-netbook-bounces(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] bunnie about riscv Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:30:45 +0100 > ron hi please remember to cut context. there is 3 paragraphs > comprising several hundred words, repeated, followed by a single > sentence and then a single-sentence question. > > these last two sentences are the only relevant context: the rest of > the context you have forced over 400 people to re -read unnecessarily. I have not forced anyone to read anything. Anyone may ignore my emails. You know where to look. It is where there are no '>'. I prefere if others leave the full text in their emails. I prefere to not delete text in my own replies. I cannot make that decision about my replies? > > please consider the impact that you are having on the members of the > list by following the required etiquette which, by following it, i am > permitting you to be a member of this list. > > thank you for understanding and respecting the interaction rules of this list. > > l. > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 6:30 PM, <ronwirring(a)safe-mail.net> wrote: > > >> > We should have libre software hdds and ram. > >> > >> Can you elaborate on that a bit? I don't understand what you mean. > > https://www.theverge.com/2015/2/16/8048243/nsa-hard-drive-firmware-virus-st… > > > > > > > > > > Devices like hdd, ram, sd card have their own system software. > > You cannot access it and do not know what it can do. > > https://opencores.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook(a)files.phcomp.co.uk

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DIY laptop part 1: screen
by David Niklas 17 Jun '17

17 Jun '17

BTW: This little series has little to nothing to do with the eoma68. Don't feel obligated to reply. Hello, For a while now I've been working on making myself a new laptop. I wanted one that was 17 in. wide. It has proven difficult to locate a screen, I have search alibaba, amazon, and a few other assorted site without success. I need one that has: 1. Matte finish 2. 17 in. wide, not diagonally. 3. eDP 30 pin connector or MIPI-DSI connector. 4. 16.7 Million colours -- that would be 8-bit colour as opposed to 6-bit which you can find many of on alibaba. 5. Preferably, it is a touchscreen. If anyone has suggestions please point me in the right direction. Thanks, David

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