[Arm-netbook] New Eoma68 housing idea

Bill Kontos vkontogpls at gmail.com
Fri Feb 17 17:18:15 GMT 2017

So from my understanding Nyuzi is for gpgpu while MIAOU is for actual
rendering ? What kind of performance is reasonable to expect from this ?
Would it reach something like the mali 400 mp2 ?

2017-02-17 19:03 GMT+02:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>:

> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Bill Kontos <vkontogpls at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is that the master plan you with Allwinner you mentioned somewhere else ?
>  no it isn't.
> > I'm very interested with the idea. The mere idea that you managed to get
> a
> > new SoC going on on a reasonable node despite the cost intrigues me a
> lot.
>  i haven't - i'm putting in proposals and finding candidate people to work
> with.
> > So what about all the other ip blocks involved in the soc ?
> Realistically if
> > such a small form factor wants to be successful it needs to have 3d.
>  Nyuzi and MIAOU.  GPLGPU is out because... well... its designer
> unfortunately doesn't understand that you can't modify the GPL by
> adding a clause "this is GPL except if you want to use it for
> commercial purposes then, well, sorry, but you can't", that's *not*
> the GPL, it's a proprietary (closed source) license.  whoops.
>  so, Nyuzi it is, along with MIAOU as a *separate* engine which will
> do OpenCL and will need to be made use of separately (in software).
> also great for parallel processing tasks as-is.
>  there will need to be a *lot* of software development - even for the
> hardware.  the lowrisc designers aren't *actually* developing any
> peripherals: they're putting in what they call "minion cores" which
> basically do bit-banging of various GPIO pins under their control, in
> effect *becoming* peripherals.  (if it's dedicated bit-banging, it's
> not really bit-banging, is it?)  the nice thing is: you can literally
> implement any protocol you care to.
>  i want to have a word with them to make sure that there's some
> differential pairs connected to the minion cores, with variable power
> domains.  that would make it *potentially* possible for people to
> either use them as an open high-speed inter-connect, or to implement
> various high-speed peripheral buses such as PCIe, LVDS, MIPI, eDP and
> HDMI - all depending on whether the minion cores can handle it and are
> set up to do DMA or not: just have to see.
>  so about the only thing that would need to be licensed (at this
> stage) would be DDR3 RAM interfaces.  everything else is covered from
> opencores.org, including an LCD/VGA controller, USB2, and many others.
>  VP8 and VP9 are available from google with no royalties if you are
> going to production silicon.  MP4 can easily be obtained.
> l.
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