[Arm-netbook] Logging and journaling

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68


On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Allan Mwenda <allanitomwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
> My 0.02$
> Debian, Fedora and Parabola are, to be quite honest, very ethically made
> distributions.

 sorry, allan: that's not the case.  if a decision-making process is
by "consensus", ignoring or overruling the wishes of *any* one person,
then by definition is is unethical.  there is a fundamental and in
many cases pathologically-held belief that is unfortunately ingrained
into western culture that "democracy" - majority voting - is
acceptable.  the reality is that *by definition* it's fundamentally
unethical.

> Sure Fedo has *cough*kernelblobs*cough* but that can be fixed
> very easy by swapping the standard kernel with linux-libre (You should
> totally do this btw) This is a change I would totally back.
> Systemd, cancer as it may be developed, is still free software.

 the unfortunate thing that i am observing is that just because the
license is libre, it doesn't necessarily result in ethical or wise
decisions.  i've witnessed that continually, now, for almost 20 years.

> So as long
> as I have the freedom to get rid of it, change it, or even keep it, then it
> isn't worth purging.

 do you know the history of hans reiser?  is his software available
today?  given his history, if his software *was* available today, do
you think anyone would want to install it and use it?   why not?  it's
free software, right?  you can change it, keep it, it's entirely under
a libre license... so what's the problem?


>  But please Luke, don't decide for me,

 allan: please do not appeal to me as if i have the right to overrule
your own right to self-determination.  let me be absolutely clear: i
don't appreciate the implication that i have *any* right to make your
decisions.  i do not.  sorry for having to be so blunt.

> I got enough of
> that from Microsoft with Winblows 8. (You need some tiles in your life son!)
> One of the absolute biggest appeals of your cards is that they actually can
> run mainline everything.

 yeah... except it's incomplete, hence why i will need to still ship
with 3.4.  people are at liberty to replace that with mainline and see
how far they get.  i was only able to run up until about 4.7pre1 or so
without problems.  i compiled over a hundred different kernels around
that mark trying to find the problematic patch... ran out of time.

>Please recognize this is a huge huge deal
> especially on a distros like Debian that actually has official ARM builds.

 the official arm builds don't have support for EOMA68 because the
devicetree overlays aren't part of mainline yet in a version of the
mainline linux kernel that's stable on EOMA68-A20 boards.


> Don't mess with it.

 i don't intend to.

> Stock xfce Debian please.

 of course it will be stock xfce.  of course it will be stock debian -
just an older (and thoroughly tested) version.

the line however of systemd is not one that i can cross.  you're going
to have to demonstrate to me that systemd has been developed (and
deployed) in a 100% ethical manner, for that to happen.

now, i have no intention of deciding anything for you.  you are
entirely at liberty to put whatever OS you choose onto this hardware.

 the reason why i made four separate OSes is so that those people who
*can't* follow instructions online to set up their own OS have
something to get started from.

 for those of you who *can* do that i *do* expect you to do so, and,
once you've done so, to get together and help out others who can't.

 i'll take responsibility for helping those people who need a prebuilt
OS.  if you have the technical knowledge, i expect you to take
responsibility for setting up your own preferred OS.

clear?

l.