[Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

Fri Dec 29 18:07:56 GMT 2017

Luke just a little confused, are you saying if im from the first batch i wont get an eoma68 this June/July 2018?
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC (mike.valk at gmail.com)
   2. Re: EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing
      (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
   3. Re: Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC (mike.valk at gmail.com)
   4. Re: EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing
      (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
   5. Re: Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
   6. Re: Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
   7. Re: EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing (Alexander Ross)
   8. Re: EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing (Sam Huntress)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:21:09 +0100
From: "mike.valk at gmail.com" <mike.valk at gmail.com>
To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC
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2017-12-29 15:37 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>:
>
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:25 PM, mike.valk at gmail.com
> <mike.valk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 3D. Wasn't there a PoC from some students in the open macro's? Perhaps
>> those guys can be hired to refine their work?
>
>  can you point me towards it with some clues?
>
I can't seem to find it at the moment.

Did find this:

https://github.com/VerticalResearchGroup/miaow/wiki
https://github.com/jbush001/NyuziProcessor/wiki
https://github.com/jbush001/NyuziProcessor/wiki/Similar-Projects

Might as well be the Nyuzi one

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:23:35 +0000
From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>
To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing
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crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Julie Marchant <onpon4 at riseup.net> wrote:

> I'm not familiar with the terms "first batch" and "second batch" as it
> pertains to this project. Which was the first and which was the second?

 the first batch was the first crowd-funded campaign: august 2016.
after that, crowdsupply effectively turned the site into a "pre-order
shop".  none of the money from this SECOND batch has left
crowdsupply's bank account.

 for the first batch, $175k, $25k appx is held by crowdsupply because
they'll be handling world-wide shipping.  $130k of the $175k went to
thinkpenguin.  $60k of that $130k immediately went to the factory in
china.  $25k is left in thinkpenguin's bank account, to deal with the
laptops when we get to it.  $45k of the $60k is left in mike's bank
account in china and that is ENTIRELY taken up with components and
PCBs for the EOMA68-A20 2.7.5 and Microdesktop 1.7.

 so if you're in the first batch there *is* nothing spare to refund
*to* anyone.  hence the question is absolutely critical because
attempting to pull out money which doesn't exist and/or has been
allocated for some considerable time does a LOT of damage.

 but, the 2nd batch? not a problem at all.

l.

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:24:02 +0100
From: "mike.valk at gmail.com" <mike.valk at gmail.com>
To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC
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2017-12-29 16:21 GMT+01:00 mike.valk at gmail.com <mike.valk at gmail.com>:
> 2017-12-29 15:37 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:25 PM, mike.valk at gmail.com
>> <mike.valk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 3D. Wasn't there a PoC from some students in the open macro's? Perhaps
>>> those guys can be hired to refine their work?
>>
>>  can you point me towards it with some clues?
>>
> I can't seem to find it at the moment.

AH it was the ORGFX now ORSOC I guess
https://opencores.org/project,orsoc_graphics_accelerator

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:34:20 +0000
From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>
To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing
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crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Sam Huntress <samhuntress at gmail.com> wrote:
> We all seem to be talking past each other and I fear we may have some
> confusion about what a ponzi scheme actually is.
>
> In a ponzi scheme, money is taken from 'investors' under the false pretense
> (lie) that it will be used to fund operations with a positive return on
> investment when actually that money is just stashed and given back out to
> 'investors' as a fake 'return' on their 'investment'.

 ... down the tree until it collapses, yes.

 apart from the US Federal Reserve Ponzi scheme that was
cascade-created in 2007 by issuing UNREGULATED bonds a THOUSAND times
larger than the entire U.S. Govt regulated market at the time and so
consequently it is still in the process of collapsing, what's the
largest ponzi scheme that's ever been recorded in human history?

 in that historically-recorded ponzi scheme, what order of magnitude
of money changed hands? (ignoring the multi multi trillion dollar 2007
US Fed Res ponzi scheme)

> In this case, the investments they claim to be making are almost 100%
> traceable and provable. The Bitcoin ledger can be used to see which wallets
> all mined bitcoins have gone to and Bitclub can use standard public/private
> key signatures to verify that they own one or more of those wallets.

 you mean, starting e.g. from here:
   https://bitclubpool.com/index.php?p=stats
 and here:
   https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/bitclubnetwork

> If Bitclub cannot provide this verification then they may not be
> technically competent enough to make good investments.

> Given that they already have your money, the best thing to do is hope that
> whatever they are running (legitimate or not) holds up long enough for you
> to get back what you put in.

 sam you underestimate the scope of what i seek to achieve here.  i'm
looking to leverage this so that the team of engineers can be paid for
to design the RISCV-64 SoC, the eco-conscious smartphone can be paid
for, and in about a year to 18 months time a foundry line of chips can
be paid for - outright.

 i'm certainl not "looking to get back $3500" that's for sure!   and
*i* am not *personally* looking to get back money beyond that which is
sufficient to live on: i am looking to leverage this to fund some
absolutely amazing...

 ... AND ECO-CONSCIOUS ....

 ... projects.

 including REPLACING bitcoin.

l.

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:35:07 +0000
From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>
To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC
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crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:24 PM, mike.valk at gmail.com
<mike.valk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2017-12-29 16:21 GMT+01:00 mike.valk at gmail.com <mike.valk at gmail.com>:
>> 2017-12-29 15:37 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:25 PM, mike.valk at gmail.com
>>> <mike.valk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 3D. Wasn't there a PoC from some students in the open macro's? Perhaps
>>>> those guys can be hired to refine their work?
>>>
>>>  can you point me towards it with some clues?
>>>
>> I can't seem to find it at the moment.
>
> AH it was the ORGFX now ORSOC I guess
> https://opencores.org/project,orsoc_graphics_accelerator

 yeah that's the one i found, too.  that's the one - one of the ones -
i want to fund.

l.

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:37:40 +0000
From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>
To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC
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crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:21 PM, mike.valk at gmail.com
<mike.valk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2017-12-29 15:37 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:25 PM, mike.valk at gmail.com
>> <mike.valk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 3D. Wasn't there a PoC from some students in the open macro's? Perhaps
>>> those guys can be hired to refine their work?
>>
>>  can you point me towards it with some clues?
>>
> I can't seem to find it at the moment.
>
> Did find this:
>
> https://github.com/VerticalResearchGroup/miaow/wiki
> https://github.com/jbush001/NyuziProcessor/wiki
> https://github.com/jbush001/NyuziProcessor/wiki/Similar-Projects
>
> Might as well be the Nyuzi one

 ah yehhh!  thank you for reminding me!  yeah i forgot about his work,
thank you.  i know why i forgot it: i spoke to its developer, he said
there's some severe limitations... something about how it was put
together, it was never really intended to go above.... 50mhz (in an
FPGA) or... something.   there was a fundamental design flaw in other
words.

 might have changed since then.

 but i went, "hmm, MIAOU shader engine plus ORSOC_GPU plus RISC-V core
would do *really* well"

l.

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:07:03 +0000
From: Alexander Ross <maillist_arm-netbook at aross.me>
To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing
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After recently learning how bitcoin network fees and shot up to £70 min!
I asked for alts and was recommended to use dash.

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20171227.034339.c3c3053f.en.html

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:13:10 -0500
From: Sam Huntress <samhuntress at gmail.com>
To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing
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> you mean, starting e.g. from here:
>   https://bitclubpool.com/index.php?p=stats
> and here:
>   https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/bitclubnetwork

Yes, exactly.

The blocks they are mining are being awarded to
https://blockchain.info/address/155fzsEBHy9Ri2bMQ8uuuR3tv1YzcDywd4
And blockchain.info does record those blocks as being found by Bitclub. So
Bitclub does seem to have significant new BTC coming in.

As long as you trust that whoever you sent money to does actually represent
Bitclub, further verification does not seem necessary.

I do understand that $3500 isn't exactly backbreaking for this project, it
just makes me anxious to see anyone start buying in so fully to things that
seem 'too-good-to-be-true'

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <
lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:

> ---
> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Sam Huntress <samhuntress at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We all seem to be talking past each other and I fear we may have some
> > confusion about what a ponzi scheme actually is.
> >
> > In a ponzi scheme, money is taken from 'investors' under the false
> pretense
> > (lie) that it will be used to fund operations with a positive return on
> > investment when actually that money is just stashed and given back out to
> > 'investors' as a fake 'return' on their 'investment'.
>
>  ... down the tree until it collapses, yes.
>
>  apart from the US Federal Reserve Ponzi scheme that was
> cascade-created in 2007 by issuing UNREGULATED bonds a THOUSAND times
> larger than the entire U.S. Govt regulated market at the time and so
> consequently it is still in the process of collapsing, what's the
> largest ponzi scheme that's ever been recorded in human history?
>
>  in that historically-recorded ponzi scheme, what order of magnitude
> of money changed hands? (ignoring the multi multi trillion dollar 2007
> US Fed Res ponzi scheme)
>
>
> > In this case, the investments they claim to be making are almost 100%
> > traceable and provable. The Bitcoin ledger can be used to see which
> wallets
> > all mined bitcoins have gone to and Bitclub can use standard
> public/private
> > key signatures to verify that they own one or more of those wallets.
>
>  you mean, starting e.g. from here:
>    https://bitclubpool.com/index.php?p=stats
>  and here:
>    https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/bitclubnetwork
>
>
> > If Bitclub cannot provide this verification then they may not be
> > technically competent enough to make good investments.
>
>
> > Given that they already have your money, the best thing to do is hope
> that
> > whatever they are running (legitimate or not) holds up long enough for
> you
> > to get back what you put in.
>
>  sam you underestimate the scope of what i seek to achieve here.  i'm
> looking to leverage this so that the team of engineers can be paid for
> to design the RISCV-64 SoC, the eco-conscious smartphone can be paid
> for, and in about a year to 18 months time a foundry line of chips can
> be paid for - outright.
>
>  i'm certainl not "looking to get back $3500" that's for sure!   and
> *i* am not *personally* looking to get back money beyond that which is
> sufficient to live on: i am looking to leverage this to fund some
> absolutely amazing...
>
>  ... AND ECO-CONSCIOUS ....
>
>  ... projects.
>
>  including REPLACING bitcoin.
>
> l.
>
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