[Arm-netbook] EOMA68-A20 now booting Linaro distro from uSD card

[Arokux X]

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:01 PM, luke.leighton <luke.leighton at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:03 PM, joem <joem at martindale-electric.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 15:30 +0000, Derek wrote:
> >> joem <joem <at> martindale-electric.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >> > > Joe, you must specify your goal more clearly. So I'll ask once
> again:
> >> > >
> >> > > Do you want to recreate a Linaro ALIP image all the way from
> sources?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > The goal is to create the freedom to distribute working bootable Linux
> >> > distro binary images with tool chain ready to be used as soon as it is
> >> > unzipped and dd'd into a SD card or a sata drive and satisfy the GPL.
> >> >
> >> > $$$$ Krsching!! $$$
> >>
> >> Joe,
> >> I don't think I get it.  Right now, to create a bootable SD card, I'd
> >> partition it, load a kernel and fex, and debootstrap Debian into a root
> >> directory.  What I'd need would be a list of packages, such as "basic",
> >> "development", or "desktop".  I don't think I'd be happy putting 100GB
> on an
> >> SD card, just to run a basic router.
> >
> >
> > The issue was that I was releasing binaries uSD cards
> > because my way of doing things is that I believe tools are more
> > important than recipes. It takes all sorts to make the world go around,
> > and that is where I stand on the importance of binaries.
> >
> >
> > Then gpl gets in the way and says, though my intentions are good,
> > in describing how the binary was built, its not good enough,
> > I (not some 3rd party) must supply the exact sources for all items in
> > the binary and working tools.
> >
> >
> > When I release the 2GB uSD Card binary bootable distro for eoma,
> > I am obliged to supply the exact sources for each item that has a gpl
> > license.
>
>  ... or you are obliged to provide a pointer to where the sources can
> be obtained: that is sufficient.  you *don't* have to host them
> yourself... but you *do* have to ensure that you've provide the full
> set of links to sources, full set of links to all tools and scripts.
> a full set of instructions is also nice but not strictly necessary.
> however having those instructions is a good idea because it allows
> *you* to ensure that you have the full set of sources (or links to)
> right and the full set of tools (or links to tools) also correct.
>
>
> > I also intend to distribute soon a uSD binary with ubuntu 12.04.3 with
> > toolchain and everything set up for eoma development.
> >
> >
> > So I at some time in the future will put together all the sources as a
> > link to download the 100GB odd of all the sources that went into making
> > the exact same binaries as I am distributing. So you don't need to
> > download the sources if you don't want to.
> >
> > Just enjoy the 2Gb binaries as they are and make the router happen now!!
> >
> > Its just that if I am the one distributing the binary, I must also
> > distribute the exact sources. And I will do it, because that is the
> > only way to guarantee others can also distribute binaries and produce
> > the sources on demand.
> >
> > At the moment this responsibility is being shrugged off by a lot
> > of factories that make products, or is being passed on to others
> > when you load up a recipe for building a bootable uSD card.
> > It drains their time, your time, and creates support issues.
> > (The last things you want draining life out of product before it
> > is even born!)
> >
>
>
> >> The best thing, I think, would be getting the 3.4 kernel patches to go
> from
> >> debian-standard to sunxi-lkcl-whatever as a debian package, making your
> >> "build and install" script as easy as 'apt-get linux-image-watcha'
> >>
> >> soo... why fork a distro?
> >>
>
>  ... because he doesn't understand what he's doing, arokux.
>
That was not me :p

>
>  and, also, he has an additional requirement to his clients to provide
> 10-20 year lifecycles for all software.
>
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