On 11/28/2016 03:17 AM, arm-netbook-request@lists.phcomp.co.uk wrote:
Send arm-netbook mailing list submissions to arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to arm-netbook-request@lists.phcomp.co.uk
You can reach the person managing the list at arm-netbook-owner@lists.phcomp.co.uk
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of arm-netbook digest..."
Today's Topics:
- Re: arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 (zap)
- Re: arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
- OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values (Alexander Ross)
- Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values (Jonathan Frederickson)
- Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
- Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values (FaTony)
- Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:05:05 -0500 From: zap calmstorm@openmailbox.org To: arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 Message-ID: 583B66A1.8070200@openmailbox.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 11/27/2016 02:00 PM, arm-netbook-request@lists.phcomp.co.uk wrote:
Send arm-netbook mailing list submissions to arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to arm-netbook-request@lists.phcomp.co.uk
You can reach the person managing the list at arm-netbook-owner@lists.phcomp.co.uk
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of arm-netbook digest..."
Today's Topics:
- A few questions, (zap)
- Re: A few questions, (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:33:23 -0500 From: zap calmstorm@openmailbox.org To: arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: [Arm-netbook] A few questions, Message-ID: 5839E383.80201@openmailbox.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4 gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes?
Or am I misunderstanding?
The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your delivery dates march or something like that,
I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it would arrive,
also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of curiosity?
for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time.
but thanks for telling me.
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:45:41 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] A few questions, Message-ID: CAPweEDwiTdngDMR0Tupuv35WSRsQ6ZM=ALNX9-eUJAn0J__Jxg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
hiya zap welcome to the list: thanks for agreeing to post this publicly.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 7:33 PM, zap calmstorm@openmailbox.org wrote:
Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4 gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes?
on the RK3288 board only, yes. most ARM SoCs are hard-limited to a maximum of 2GB external DDR addressing: the RK3288 is literally the only one i've found so far that can even do 4GB. reason: it was designed as a medium-level chromebook processor.
to clarify and make absolutely clear: you will NEVER get an A20 SoC with above 2GB of RAM.
If that's the case, I guess I can safely assume that 4gb is in the future maybe for a different processor but not the near future and not for the current a20 processor.
The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your delivery dates march or something like that,
I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it would arrive,
i honestly cannot say. i did the best i could estimate however within even just a couple of weeks of the campaign ending i reached out to an associate to confirm the previous arrangement of staying in taiwan to help him out (and save costs)... and his arrangements had changed.
so really, best thing: keep an eye on the updates, and just go with it :)
Okay I already have been as you can guess by my interest.
also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of curiosity?
when i'm making up the 12-or-so for the individuals that pledged for fully-assembled ones. in other words i have 12 opportunities to make the videos :)
however as this is a libre project, i already started some basic instructions if you want to get stuck in early - just bear in mind i need to bring the CAD python source up-to-date relative to the current PCB changes. so you'll be printing stuff out that will *not* fit the current PCBs and components okay? however you will not need to throw all of the parts out, just re-print a few of them.
https://www.youmagine.com/designs/libre-hardware-licensed-parametric-laptop-...
for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time.
i would say "it's right there on the page" but i actually had to search for it myself (and it's a looong page). yeah this is a long-running project.
Okay my bad.
l.
Subject: Digest Footer
arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook
End of arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 00:12:12 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 Message-ID: CAPweEDwpLBXxbzc5vcf0BqnpmvpiM7CFp1z4nLPBt5BEvrKjDQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
ah, just some rules (which are common practice and have been well established for over two decades) when subscribing in digest mode: cut the context, otherwise you force everbody (over 600 people in this instance) to trawl through extraneous stuff that they've already read, looking for the few percentage points on a line-by-line basis for what you've written.
an example of doing that is demonstrated below. which i was forced to do, myself, as you didn't do it.
to clarify and make absolutely clear: you will NEVER get an A20 SoC with above 2GB of RAM.
If that's the case, I guess I can safely assume that 4gb is in the future maybe for a different processor but not the near future and not for the current a20 processor.
yes. that's why the update said specifically "4GB is planned for the RK3288" and no other processor. if there existed any other processor capable of doing 4GB of RAM i would specifically have mentioned it.
even the latest intel tablet-targetted SoCs (the ones that have now been terminated because nobody buys them because they're shit) have two variants: one which maxes out at 2GB RAM and one which maxes out at 8GB.
Oh on another interesting note btw, not that you will be doing this in the near future, but I read on trisquel forums that I guess I am not the only one who wants, another size option.
such as 11, 10 or 7.
My preference is between 10-13 inches.
But I just wanted to make sure you knew that I wasn't the only one.
Although, I had a thought, at some point maybe make a poll to see how many people want a smaller size and who would be willing to buy one.
THIS is a THOUGHT, I just wanted to put out there. Feel free to deny my request if you don't have the time at the moment, but whenever you can find time, it would be a good idea.
for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time.
i would say "it's right there on the page" but i actually had to search for it myself (and it's a looong page). yeah this is a long-running project.
Okay my bad.
nono - there's been so much going on it's easy to miss things.
l.
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:27:00 +0000 From: Alexander Ross maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values Message-ID: dbb6066b-dcff-c3db-c113-628d33c24485@aross.me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
off topic:
I’m finding this insightful as to why luke was treated the way he was by a number of allwinner :( people:
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/11/the_u_s_should...
bit in particular i just read:
" Just as one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist, one country’s “soft power” is another’s weaponized values and existential threat. Because Americans see their values and interests as essentially benign, they completely miss how those abroad interpret what seem like harmless acts. (The Chinese and the Russians read Soft Power: The Means to Success in World Politics, too, and they’re on to you.) Furthermore, much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them. As it is, Chinese Communist Party cadres are instructed by party bosses to be vigilant against “American efforts to overthrow the communist system through ‘peaceful evolution’—that is, the spread of Western ideas and culture.” Now imagine what the turbo-freedom of America’s global internet looks like to them.
Actually, you don’t have to imagine it. In 2011, two years after President Obama’s town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in Shanghai, the state-run newspaper China People’s Daily editorialized about the United States’ deployment of shadow networks in authoritarian countries: “The US State Department has carefully framed its support of such projects as promoting free speech and human rights, but it is clear that the policy is aimed at destabilizing national governments.” It called Tor—software that helps people mask their location—“a weapon in a covert cyber war intended to maintain the US’ global dominance.” "
LOL teaching to population that the tool that helps them is in fact the enemy, classic. the us funded tor cus a sub department needed such a tool too. while other departments hate it :)
...but yes the powers that be speak BS about freedom,etc when they them selfs are promoting the surveillance - the never forget state. it will be logged, it will be jugged. the citizens will be given a treat level to the state and status quo rating. or some other named way of categorisation.
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:46:46 -0500 From: Jonathan Frederickson silverskullpsu@gmail.com To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values Message-ID: CAAyzKeNMG01a-LQLXV_6boSpzrhY6oJci8Yh5naEbHhAtQc8hw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Actually, you don’t have to imagine it. In 2011, two years after President Obama’s town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in Shanghai, the state-run newspaper China People’s Daily editorialized about the United States’ deployment of shadow networks in authoritarian countries: “The US State Department has carefully framed its support of such projects as promoting free speech and human rights, but it is clear that the policy is aimed at destabilizing national governments.” It called Tor—software that helps people mask their location—“a weapon in a covert cyber war intended to maintain the US’ global dominance.” "
LOL teaching to population that the tool that helps them is in fact the enemy, classic. the us funded tor cus a sub department needed such a tool too. while other departments hate it :)
Yeah. I think this speaks to just how hard it is to see different perspectives, even on the internet where there are (in theory) no borders. As a US citizen it's clear to me that politicians here are wary of privacy-preserving technologies like Tor. (And PGP and OTR - hello crypto wars!) Overseas maybe that's less apparent.
Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values.
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:12:03 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values Message-ID: CAPweEDxhHJ-reaOmCnjmq_a_LLEATfS5=cffiFMrCf_Qq5FkRQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Frederickson silverskullpsu@gmail.com wrote:
Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values.
very much so, i feel. in essence: no one size fits all, and now we see even emerging countries are beginning to wake up to the massive over-reach and destruction of sovereignty that the U.S. has been undertaking for decades. the key point of the fascinating and rather long article [1] is that various small countries are viewing U.S. diplomatic and political efforts finally for what it is: extremist imperialist domination. unfortunately they're not the only country that's historically manipulated entire [small] countries, but the point is we kiiinda expect it to *be* history... not still happening *right now*.
now, i'm not one for just "complaining": there's enough of that crap going on already. i very much like to also suggest actual solutions, and in this instance there happens to be a perfect fit: look up someone called "robert david steele". there's an extremely good article about him in 2014 by the guardian [2]. he started the "open source intelligence" movement. a quote:
Today’s capitalism, he argues, is inherently predatory and destructive:
“Over the course of the last centuries, the commons was fenced, and everything from agriculture to water was commoditised without regard to the true cost in non-renewable resources. Human beings, who had spent centuries evolving away from slavery, were re-commoditised by the Industrial Era.”
huh. how about that. someone else who recognises that "employment" is nothing more than a rebadged, re-introduced form of slavery. don't believe me? if you're a software engineer actually READ your employment contract. paying particular attention to the intelligence enslavement clauses. the ones that say that your employer owns absolutely everything that you do, think and say. if it wasn't enslavement, you would be REWARDED in direct proportion to the value of the work that you provide. you don't: you get paid a quotes fair wage quotes. fuck off if you actually want *shock horror* shares in the company!
yyeah....
holy fuck i had no idea: "the west supports 42 of 44 [world] dictators".
[1] http://m.journal-neo.org/2016/11/09/philippines-triggers-asian-tectonic-shif... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jun/19/open-sourc...
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 03:51:00 +0000 From: FaTony fatony@fatony.net To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values Message-ID: e4ba7c0a-1775-777f-26c3-a00c0e2bdca5@fatony.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Furthermore, much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them.
Here's a view from inside of Russia. Russian TV is full of anti-west propaganda. Every day I hear ppl discussing how some bad stuff is happening in US, Europe or Ukraine and how Russian patriotism and Orthodox Church are the foundation upon which you should live.
But it is forbidden to talk about Russian issues. Anyone who dares gets sued, arrested, tortured or killed. Russian authorities use a blacklist of sites and do DPI to make sure that nobody will find a way to opposition sites that bring up Russian issues. They also have the legal capacity to store all internet traffic for 6 months.
Nowadays, about 90% of my traffic goes through Tor or VPN because there's simply no other way to get information.
But most people don't care about these issues, they are simply trying to survive and not die of starvation. There is no hope in fixing this from the inside, Russia as a country has no future. NATO should invade and grab all the western territories while China will surely grab Siberia.
arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk
-
zap