Hi all,
Here is Chris's answer. Since I do not understand everything very well, I would ask you (Luke ?) what should I (we?) answer.
My first idea could be : "Hi Chris, many thanks for you answer. Nice to read that you have some cards. Could you please send them to [this direction]. The next step that will be communicated is [this next step]."
Ok, as the end of his answer suggest, I won't ask on mastodon or other people for now.
I wait your answer (Luke ?) before replying to Chris. I don't know which direction to send cards nor what message to communicate about next step.
Regards, Franck
-------- Message transféré -------- Sujet : ... Date : Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:25:06 -0500 De : Christopher Waid chris@thinkpenguin.com Pour : Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr
On 11/24/22 10:14, Franck Sinimalé wrote:
Hi Chris,
Hope things are as welle as possible for you.
I'm one of the backers of EOMA68 Computing Devices (https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop).
Could you please tell me (and us) : Where are the 93 Computer Cards ?
Best regards, Franck Sinimalé https://franck.sinimale.fr/
Not sure if it's 93 cards, but yes, I have some # of cards. We need an OS image and directions and probably some clear communications as to what to do next. If we're sending them to someone he should probably email me an address. It would also probably help if he email'd rather than asked other people to ask me where things stand. I have no idea other than this.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 9:03 AM Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
Hi all,
Here is Chris's answer.
... what on earth is going on. this is literally the first response - ever - in 18 months.
My first idea could be : "Hi Chris, many thanks for you answer. Nice to read that you have some cards. Could you please send them to [this direction]. The next step that will be communicated is [this next step]."
it needs to be to get them out of his hands as fast as possible, with the absolute minimum of action needed on his part.
Joshua, Kelly, (bcc'd) can you possibly arrange a DHL courier pickup, giving DHL the standard thinkpenguin telephone number, business address, and Chris's email?
Franck as (incredibly, being literally the only person in 18+ months) you have established two-way communcation can you please write to Chris requesting that he pack everything up ready for pick-up by DHL?
also if you could mention that i have not received a response to over 40 emails in 18+ months, and neither has Joshua Lifton received any reponse to either his emails nor had his phone calls returned, nor has Kelly Vogel had a response, nor has she received a response from bob@thinkpenguin.com, and in addition none of the people writing thinkpenguin support requests have had a response.
thank you Franck.
l.
-------- Message transféré -------- Sujet : ... Date : Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:25:06 -0500 De : Christopher Waid chris@thinkpenguin.com Pour : Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr
On 11/24/22 10:14, Franck Sinimalé wrote:
Hi Chris,
Hope things are as welle as possible for you.
I'm one of the backers of EOMA68 Computing Devices (https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop).
Could you please tell me (and us) : Where are the 93 Computer Cards ?
Best regards, Franck Sinimalé https://franck.sinimale.fr/
Not sure if it's 93 cards, but yes, I have some # of cards. We need an OS image and directions and probably some clear communications as to what to do next. If we're sending them to someone he should probably email me an address. It would also probably help if he email'd rather than asked other people to ask me where things stand. I have no idea other than this.
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Hi Luke,
Thank's for your answer, I feel less alone to face the best way to going on ;-)
Well, I just realize that I don't realize how incredible his Chris's answer...
Thank's for the tips to reply to him. I'll let know here what's happening next.
a+ Franck
Le 26/11/2022 à 10:15, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 9:03 AM Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
Hi all,
Here is Chris's answer.
... what on earth is going on. this is literally the first response - ever - in 18 months.
My first idea could be : "Hi Chris, many thanks for you answer. Nice to read that you have some cards. Could you please send them to [this direction]. The next step that will be communicated is [this next step]."
it needs to be to get them out of his hands as fast as possible, with the absolute minimum of action needed on his part.
Joshua, Kelly, (bcc'd) can you possibly arrange a DHL courier pickup, giving DHL the standard thinkpenguin telephone number, business address, and Chris's email?
Franck as (incredibly, being literally the only person in 18+ months) you have established two-way communcation can you please write to Chris requesting that he pack everything up ready for pick-up by DHL?
also if you could mention that i have not received a response to over 40 emails in 18+ months, and neither has Joshua Lifton received any reponse to either his emails nor had his phone calls returned, nor has Kelly Vogel had a response, nor has she received a response from bob@thinkpenguin.com, and in addition none of the people writing thinkpenguin support requests have had a response.
thank you Franck.
l.
-------- Message transféré -------- Sujet : ... Date : Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:25:06 -0500 De : Christopher Waid chris@thinkpenguin.com Pour : Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr
On 11/24/22 10:14, Franck Sinimalé wrote:
Hi Chris,
Hope things are as welle as possible for you.
I'm one of the backers of EOMA68 Computing Devices (https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop).
Could you please tell me (and us) : Where are the 93 Computer Cards ?
Best regards, Franck Sinimalé https://franck.sinimale.fr/
Not sure if it's 93 cards, but yes, I have some # of cards. We need an OS image and directions and probably some clear communications as to what to do next. If we're sending them to someone he should probably email me an address. It would also probably help if he email'd rather than asked other people to ask me where things stand. I have no idea other than this.
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My humble suggestion...
On Sat, 26 Nov 2022, 09:17 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton, lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
Franck as (incredibly, being literally the only person in 18+ months) you have established two-way communcation can you please write to Chris requesting that he pack everything up ready for pick-u by DHL?
Keep it short and sweet.
also if you could mention that i have not received a response to over 40 emails in 18+ months, and neither has Joshua Lifton received any reponse to either his emails nor had his phone calls returned, nor has Kelly Vogel had a response, nor has she received a response from bob@thinkpenguin.com, and in addition none of the people writing thinkpenguin support requests have had a response.
I feel your pain Luke. I and many other would like some answers. However step one is get the cards on to DHL. Let keep the email as breif as possible as that appear to the the M.O. that worked.
My advice is to skip this part and just request that he pack everything up ready for pick-u by DHL
thank you Franck.
Ditto above.
Le 26/11/2022 à 11:29, Brendan Sleight a écrit :
My humble suggestion...
On Sat, 26 Nov 2022, 09:17 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton, lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
Franck as (incredibly, being literally the only person in 18+ months) you have established two-way communcation can you please write to Chris requesting that he pack everything up ready for pick-u by DHL?
Keep it short and sweet.
also if you could mention that i have not received a response to over 40 emails in 18+ months, and neither has Joshua Lifton received any reponse to either his emails nor had his phone calls returned, nor has Kelly Vogel had a response, nor has she received a response from bob@thinkpenguin.com, and in addition none of the people writing thinkpenguin support requests have had a response.
I feel your pain Luke. I and many other would like some answers. However step one is get the cards on to DHL. Let keep the email as breif as possible as that appear to the the M.O. that worked.
My advice is to skip this part and just request that he pack everything up ready for pick-u by DHL
thank you Franck. Ditto above.
Here is the reply I 've done to Chris juste now :
"Nice to read you have some # of cards Chris. Could you please pack them up and tell me when ready for pickup by DHL ?
The DHL courrier pickup should be sent to thinkpenguin business adresse isn'it ?
I think / hope that the communication on next step will be something like : a new OS image is built and test are on progress."
To be continued...
On Saturday, November 26, 2022, Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
Le 26/11/2022 à 11:29, Brendan Sleight a écrit :
My advice is to skip this part and just request that he pack everything up ready for pick-u by DHL
yes agreed, good call Brendan.
thank you Franck. Ditto above.
Here is the reply I 've done to Chris juste now :
"Nice to read you have some # of cards Chris. Could you please pack them
up and tell me when ready for pickup by DHL ?
The DHL courrier pickup should be sent to thinkpenguin business adresse
isn'it ?
yes. he should confirm.
Le 26/11/2022 à 17:35, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :
On Saturday, November 26, 2022, Franck Sinimaléfranck@sinimale.fr wrote:
"Nice to read you have some # of cards Chris. Could you please pack them
up and tell me when ready for pickup by DHL ?
The DHL courrier pickup should be sent to thinkpenguin business adresse
isn'it ?
yes. he should confirm.
Hi, here is what's happening...
Le 28/11/2022 à 21:51, Franck Sinimalé a écrit :
Le 28/11/2022 à 18:23, Christopher Waid a écrit :
On 11/26/22 05:48, Franck Sinimalé wrote:
Le 25/11/2022 à 19:25, Christopher Waid a écrit :
[...]
Nice to read you have some # of cards Chris. Could you please pack them up and tell me when ready for pickup by DHL ?
The DHL courrier pickup should be sent to thinkpenguin business adresse isn'it ?
I think / hope that the communication on next step will be something like : a new OS image is built and test are on progress.
If you can have luke email me the shipping address and what I should send you exactly (if that is the plan) I'd appreciate that. I can take care of sending it via DHL myself. No need to arrange a pickup.
Hi Chris, I don't know if Luke, Joshua or Kelly will send you the shipping address, but yes the plan is to received the 93 computer cards I think it's to make more tests. Well, I'll let you know or may be you'll received directly the shipping address.
So my humble opinion is : I think it is ok that Chris sent the cards himself, isn't it ? So Luke, (Joshua or Kelly ?) can you please send [could I propose : send _only_] the shipping address to Chris ?
Regards,
Joshua, Kelly (bcc'd: context:) http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2022-November/016524.html
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 9:16 PM Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
So my humble opinion is : I think it is ok that Chris sent the cards himself, isn't it ? So Luke, (Joshua or Kelly ?) can you please send [could I propose : send _only_] the shipping address to Chris ?
i will email joshua and kelly and get something from them. i greatly prefer that it be "pick-up" rather than have him deliver because it means we are not dependent on Chris taking action.
l.
Le 28/11/2022 à 23:27, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :
Joshua, Kelly (bcc'd: context:) http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2022-November/016524.html
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 9:16 PM Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
So my humble opinion is : I think it is ok that Chris sent the cards himself, isn't it ? So Luke, (Joshua or Kelly ?) can you please send [could I propose : send _only_] the shipping address to Chris ?
i will email joshua and kelly and get something from them. i greatly prefer that it be "pick-up" rather than have him deliver because it means we are not dependent on Chris taking action.
l.
We are dependent on Chris taking action. And great, Chris propose to do something for us. I think he wants you, Luke, to sent the shipping address. Some time the man page is written but we don't do it like it is written. Weird human behavior ;-)
Anyway, as a man in the middle (mediator) I have to let know Chris about the answer. After that, it will be done for me on this set. Luke are you really going to send a DHL pick-up to Chris ?
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On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 7:47 AM Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
Le 28/11/2022 à 23:27, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :
Joshua, Kelly (bcc'd: context:) http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2022-November/016524.html
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 9:16 PM Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
So my humble opinion is : I think it is ok that Chris sent the cards himself, isn't it ? So Luke, (Joshua or Kelly ?) can you please send [could I propose : send _only_] the shipping address to Chris ?
i will email joshua and kelly and get something from them. i greatly prefer that it be "pick-up" rather than have him deliver because it means we are not dependent on Chris taking action.
l.
We are dependent on Chris taking action. And great, Chris propose to do something for us. I think he wants you, Luke, to sent the shipping address.
no, i'm not going to do that, because after he failed to respond to 40 emails from me, failed to respond to Joshua Lifton, the CEO of Crowdsupply, failed to respond to multiple messages from Kelly Vogel, Manager at CS, introducing him to a hand-over that, from experience, we expect and anticipate to fail, will cause further delay, further confusion, further time and further harm.
i've had enough.
Some time the man page is written but we don't do it like it is written. Weird human behavior ;-)
yyep :)
Anyway, as a man in the middle (mediator) I have to let know Chris about the answer. After that, it will be done for me on this set.
fantastic to have your help.
Luke are you really going to send a DHL pick-up to Chris ?
no. Joshua mentioned that Chris sends out packages all the time.
i will forward you the address and tel no privately.
l.
Le 29/11/2022 à 09:09, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :
On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 7:47 AM Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
[...] Le 28/11/2022 à 23:27, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :Luke are you really going to send a DHL pick-up to Chris ?
no. Joshua mentioned that Chris sends out packages all the time.
i will forward you the address and tel no privately.
l.
Here is the last exchange with Chris on this topic I think :
Le 29/11/2022 à 22:33, Franck Sinimalé a écrit :
Le 29/11/2022 à 20:13, Christopher Waid a écrit :
On 11/29/22 03:31, Franck Sinimalé wrote:
Le 28/11/2022 à 21:51, Franck Sinimalé a écrit :
[...]
Hi Chris,
Here we are, long story short : I get the shipping address ! (..) It seems you should have received it too :-/
Could you please sent the cards you have to this above shipping address to Crowd Supply's office ?
Regards,
I sent Luke an email and will wait for his response. I'd like to just confirm with him that this is what the plan of action is. I'll then proceed to ship it if he agrees.
Ok, thank's a lot Chris. Luke should agree. I think backers of EOMA68 will be happy to know that, some communication hsould be done. I thing my interaction should finish now, so it was an honor and a pleasure to talk with you Chris. Hope to read-write you soon.
Regards, Franck
franck, et al, i also heard ftom chris, he explained what's been going on, his premises are under surveillance and likely all communications intercepted, and likely dropped on the floor. we've established that huge numbers of messages are missing.
thank you for your help getting to the bottom of this, chris is going to send the cards to joshua, which gets pressure off of chris.
l.
Thanks for the news Luke. Hope to read soon about the EOMA68 computer devices next step.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 10:47 PM Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
Thanks for the news Luke. Hope to read soon about the EOMA68 computer devices next step. -- Franck
Joshua received the 93 Cards and 5 micro-desktops last week, they are now at Crowdsupply premises. thank you for helping re-establish communications, Franck.
next step is a boot image to be able to help test the Cards.
i will not be able to assist with this.
if someone else would like to volunteer to create a boot test image that would be very helpful. i can arrange for a Card in advance (and one of the precious few micro-desktops to be sent on loan).
parabolath was the last person to work on this.
https://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner/a20/EOMA68-A20_2-7-4_preproduction/
l.
That's such great news Luke! Thanks for sharing the advances with us ;)
El sáb, 17 dic 2022 a las 18:25, lkcl (luke.leighton@gmail.com) escribió:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 10:47 PM Franck Sinimalé franck@sinimale.fr wrote:
Thanks for the news Luke. Hope to read soon about the EOMA68 computer devices next step. -- Franck
Joshua received the 93 Cards and 5 micro-desktops last week, they are now at Crowdsupply premises. thank you for helping re-establish communications, Franck.
next step is a boot image to be able to help test the Cards.
i will not be able to assist with this.
if someone else would like to volunteer to create a boot test image that would be very helpful. i can arrange for a Card in advance (and one of the precious few micro-desktops to be sent on loan).
parabolath was the last person to work on this.
https://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner/a20/EOMA68-A20_2-7-4_preproduction/
l.
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On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 05:25:08PM +0000, lkcl wrote:
next step is a boot image to be able to help test the Cards.
What are the specific technical requirements for this boot image?
By the way I think the search for help regarding the boot image should happen in a new mailing-list thread and probably mentioned in a crowd supply update.
kind regards Pablo
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, Pablo Rath pablo@parobalth.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 05:25:08PM +0000, lkcl wrote:
next step is a boot image to be able to help test the Cards.
What are the specific technical requirements for this boot image?
"A" linux-based OS for armhf. that's it. that's literally the only requirement.
a debian debootstrapped chroot would suffice. as would literally anything else.
this is why, andreas, it not only doesn't matter that the OS "quotes hasn't been updated quotes" because you could perform the exact same update using qemu-armhf, even as userspace guest from an x86 host.
it's also why the question "where is the OS so that we can customise it and help out" is also irrelevant. and why i am not going to provide a 4GB download.
(it's the boot *loader* that has to be custom-tailored, it's the boot *loader* where help is needed).
l.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 03:24:50PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, Pablo Rath pablo@parobalth.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 05:25:08PM +0000, lkcl wrote:
next step is a boot image to be able to help test the Cards.
What are the specific technical requirements for this boot image?
"A" linux-based OS for armhf. that's it. that's literally the only requirement.
a debian debootstrapped chroot would suffice. as would literally anything else.
[...]
(it's the boot *loader* that has to be custom-tailored, it's the boot *loader* where help is needed).
Agreed. Ok, what are the requirements for the boot *loader*? Is Sunxi U-Boot (legacy) based on v2013.07-sunxi.4 booting a Sunxi 3.4.104 Kernel good enough? I am asking because this is what we currently have on my hard drive and I believe Andreas will have a working version too very soon.
Pablo
On Wednesday, January 18, 2023, Pablo Rath pablo@parobalth.org wrote:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 03:24:50PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, Pablo Rath pablo@parobalth.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 05:25:08PM +0000, lkcl wrote:
next step is a boot image to be able to help test the Cards.
What are the specific technical requirements for this boot image?
"A" linux-based OS for armhf. that's it. that's literally the only requirement.
a debian debootstrapped chroot would suffice. as would literally anything else.
[...]
(it's the boot *loader* that has to be custom-tailored, it's the boot *loader* where help is needed).
Agreed. Ok, what are the requirements for the boot *loader*? Is Sunxi U-Boot (legacy) based on v2013.07-sunxi.4 booting a Sunxi 3.4.104 Kernel good enough?
yes that's perfect. what is needed is a way to test "is hardware woking". "versions" of what is used to get that yes/no answer is very much irrelevant.
I am asking because this is what we currently have on my hard drive and I believe Andreas will have a working version too very soon.
fantastic.
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