I would highly recommend avoiding any logos, without proper historical reference. One of the problems with traditional Linux icons, are that they are very un-iconic. It's better to be textually based, in my opinion, than to use disorienting imagery. At this point, most of the clay has already set so referencing/alluding-to other gnu projects [such as blender] wouldn't be detrimental, however ascii has a very richer history of use by "hacktivists".
Referencing some historically relevant (to "hacktivism") ascii iconography either overtly or subtly, kindof more or less as a hat tip to communities which support said historical events will cause the logo a greater likelihood of being regarded as iconic. I wish I had specific examples, but possibly using cloister black font would be a subtle hat tip to anonymous for some individuals use of various letters in that font as copy-cat of L from Death Note.
Another thing of note, would be that we need to be careful who we tip our hats to, to be careful of who in the future people might assume us to endorse. A font is innocuous enough, that it can be adapted later due to circumstance (should a need arise to disassociate) without damaging the recognize-ability of any logo.
The universal and modular style of blender, is a good point to mimic. A solid dot in the center of the "O" would probably be a subtle enough correlation to the blender logo.
This is the pattern of thinking we need in developing logos and "slogans".
Thinking about what sounds catchy only correlates us with random corporate culture. We don't need to be entirely original as we have a history to fall back on. However originality might also help distinguish us from our predecessors, the last thing we want is to fail to distinguish ourselves from your neighborhood corporation.
I would recommend Luke to contact Wenqing Yang a.k.a. "Yummei", using the notability of the project to attract their attention. I would like to point out that despite being a cultural figure (famous artist) in the hacktivist community they previously lauched a multi-million dollar successful indiegogo which caused them much heart ache (per their blog) over legal controversy with so-called partners and their personal admonishment that they failed to do enough.
From: Alexander Ross maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Cc: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:07:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos this all these efforts, got me to have a play around too. :)
i was started having a go at one idea of letters inserting into each other kinda like a module.
I had put E and O in side the M. it then kinda looked like/spelled Meoo like a cat. So what about a darn cat logo? maybe a cat playing with a eoma68 card in its paws?
sry for the yet another internet cat image type of suggestion, never thought id be making one heh.
Definitely no cats too. I think the caps font used in the logo example previously is great. Adding to that, I think we should not put libre in the logo. If someone wants that let them sweat extra for RYF certification.
On January 26, 2017 10:04:56 AM GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson eaterjolly@gmail.com wrote:
I would highly recommend avoiding any logos, without proper historical reference. One of the problems with traditional Linux icons, are that they are very un-iconic. It's better to be textually based, in my opinion, than to use disorienting imagery. At this point, most of the clay has already set so referencing/alluding-to other gnu projects [such as blender] wouldn't be detrimental, however ascii has a very richer history of use by "hacktivists".
Referencing some historically relevant (to "hacktivism") ascii iconography either overtly or subtly, kindof more or less as a hat tip to communities which support said historical events will cause the logo a greater likelihood of being regarded as iconic. I wish I had specific examples, but possibly using cloister black font would be a subtle hat tip to anonymous for some individuals use of various letters in that font as copy-cat of L from Death Note.
Another thing of note, would be that we need to be careful who we tip our hats to, to be careful of who in the future people might assume us to endorse. A font is innocuous enough, that it can be adapted later due to circumstance (should a need arise to disassociate) without damaging the recognize-ability of any logo.
The universal and modular style of blender, is a good point to mimic. A solid dot in the center of the "O" would probably be a subtle enough correlation to the blender logo.
This is the pattern of thinking we need in developing logos and "slogans".
Thinking about what sounds catchy only correlates us with random corporate culture. We don't need to be entirely original as we have a history to fall back on. However originality might also help distinguish us from our predecessors, the last thing we want is to fail to distinguish ourselves from your neighborhood corporation.
I would recommend Luke to contact Wenqing Yang a.k.a. "Yummei", using the notability of the project to attract their attention. I would like to point out that despite being a cultural figure (famous artist) in the hacktivist community they previously lauched a multi-million dollar successful indiegogo which caused them much heart ache (per their blog) over legal controversy with so-called partners and their personal admonishment that they failed to do enough.
From: Alexander Ross maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Cc: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:07:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos this all these efforts, got me to have a play around too. :)
i was started having a go at one idea of letters inserting into each other kinda like a module.
I had put E and O in side the M. it then kinda looked like/spelled
Meoo
like a cat. So what about a darn cat logo? maybe a cat playing with a eoma68 card
in
its paws?
sry for the yet another internet cat image type of suggestion, never thought id be making one heh.
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Just a somewhat random suggestion:
Perhaps "EOMA" should be spelled in lowercase, "eoma", next to the logo. That would encourage people to speak it like a word, rather than saying each letter in sequence ("ee-oh-em-aye"). I find that non-technical people tend to default to the latter when they see anything in all caps (it's rare to hear non-technical people say "ping" for PNG, "gooey" for GUI, "g'nu" for GNU, etc). This is only a minor problem in most cases, but if people try to think of "EOMA" as an initialism, they could find it harder to remember.
Showing people that you're supposed to say it like a word also kind of makes it look less intimidating.
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Julie Marchant onpon4@riseup.net wrote:
Just a somewhat random suggestion:
Perhaps "EOMA" should be spelled in lowercase, "eoma", next to the logo. That would encourage people to speak it like a word, rather than saying each letter in sequence ("ee-oh-em-aye"). I find that non-technical people tend to default to the latter when they see anything in all caps
hi i saw this go by very quickly when travelling and it's quite insightful, so wanted to acknowledge that (and actually respond on-topic for the thread for once) :)
i found that interestingly, americans pronounce "A" as "eh". i've always, always pronounced it ee-oh-merh/muh
so, thank you julie.
l.
There are two ways to interprete that bear in mind. We probably want the logo to contain libre (or references/parts thereof), but you would be right to say we probably don't want libre itself in the logo.
We don't want to hinge too much on the fact we promote libre, because optimally libre would be ~~assumed~~ in all things computer. We don't want to set the theme that it should be a buzz word, however it should represent a standard of the way things simply should be.
That being said, while we don't want libre to symbolize eoma, we still want eoma to symbolize libre and we still want a logo which reminds people of that and allows the one's who care to take solace in the presence of our logo. Don't forget!
On 1/27/17, Allan Mwenda allanitomwesh@gmail.com wrote:
Definitely no cats too. I think the caps font used in the logo example previously is great. Adding to that, I think we should not put libre in the logo. If someone wants that let them sweat extra for RYF certification.
On January 26, 2017 10:04:56 AM GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson eaterjolly@gmail.com wrote:
I would highly recommend avoiding any logos, without proper historical reference. One of the problems with traditional Linux icons, are that they are very un-iconic. It's better to be textually based, in my opinion, than to use disorienting imagery. At this point, most of the clay has already set so referencing/alluding-to other gnu projects [such as blender] wouldn't be detrimental, however ascii has a very richer history of use by "hacktivists".
Referencing some historically relevant (to "hacktivism") ascii iconography either overtly or subtly, kindof more or less as a hat tip to communities which support said historical events will cause the logo a greater likelihood of being regarded as iconic. I wish I had specific examples, but possibly using cloister black font would be a subtle hat tip to anonymous for some individuals use of various letters in that font as copy-cat of L from Death Note.
Another thing of note, would be that we need to be careful who we tip our hats to, to be careful of who in the future people might assume us to endorse. A font is innocuous enough, that it can be adapted later due to circumstance (should a need arise to disassociate) without damaging the recognize-ability of any logo.
The universal and modular style of blender, is a good point to mimic. A solid dot in the center of the "O" would probably be a subtle enough correlation to the blender logo.
This is the pattern of thinking we need in developing logos and "slogans".
Thinking about what sounds catchy only correlates us with random corporate culture. We don't need to be entirely original as we have a history to fall back on. However originality might also help distinguish us from our predecessors, the last thing we want is to fail to distinguish ourselves from your neighborhood corporation.
I would recommend Luke to contact Wenqing Yang a.k.a. "Yummei", using the notability of the project to attract their attention. I would like to point out that despite being a cultural figure (famous artist) in the hacktivist community they previously lauched a multi-million dollar successful indiegogo which caused them much heart ache (per their blog) over legal controversy with so-called partners and their personal admonishment that they failed to do enough.
From: Alexander Ross maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Cc: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:07:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos this all these efforts, got me to have a play around too. :)
i was started having a go at one idea of letters inserting into each other kinda like a module.
I had put E and O in side the M. it then kinda looked like/spelled
Meoo
like a cat. So what about a darn cat logo? maybe a cat playing with a eoma68 card
in
its paws?
sry for the yet another internet cat image type of suggestion, never thought id be making one heh.
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Well, the EOMA68-A20 is only fully libre in the libre tea card version. Now that I think further into it, are the standard/hardware designs some sort of copyleft to compell third parties to also share their card designs back? Anyway, it is very likely that if someone else picks this up, who isn't as diligent as Luke, they will make a not so libre card and try passing it off as libre using the logo (if it says so in the eoma logo, and the card passes eoma certification) FSFs definition is the strictest and the RYF certification is already worth its weight, in that, if you can convince FSF something is libre, there's very little chance it isn't. A good example is the Librem 13 laptop, which was initially marketed as libre ( but wasn't even close) which breezed it through funding and is now marketed as "privacy respecting" after failing RYF.
On January 27, 2017 12:39:46 PM GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson eaterjolly@gmail.com wrote:
There are two ways to interprete that bear in mind. We probably want the logo to contain libre (or references/parts thereof), but you would be right to say we probably don't want libre itself in the logo.
We don't want to hinge too much on the fact we promote libre, because optimally libre would be ~~assumed~~ in all things computer. We don't want to set the theme that it should be a buzz word, however it should represent a standard of the way things simply should be.
That being said, while we don't want libre to symbolize eoma, we still want eoma to symbolize libre and we still want a logo which reminds people of that and allows the one's who care to take solace in the presence of our logo. Don't forget!
On 1/27/17, Allan Mwenda allanitomwesh@gmail.com wrote:
Definitely no cats too. I think the caps font used in the logo example previously is great. Adding to that, I think we should not put libre in the logo. If
someone
wants that let them sweat extra for RYF certification.
On January 26, 2017 10:04:56 AM GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson eaterjolly@gmail.com wrote:
I would highly recommend avoiding any logos, without proper
historical
reference. One of the problems with traditional Linux icons, are that they are very un-iconic. It's better to be textually based, in my opinion, than to use disorienting imagery. At this point, most of the clay has already set so referencing/alluding-to other gnu projects [such as blender] wouldn't be detrimental, however ascii has a very richer history of use by "hacktivists".
Referencing some historically relevant (to "hacktivism") ascii iconography either overtly or subtly, kindof more or less as a hat
tip
to communities which support said historical events will cause the logo a greater likelihood of being regarded as iconic. I wish I had specific examples, but possibly using cloister black font would be a subtle hat tip to anonymous for some individuals use of various letters in that font as copy-cat of L from Death Note.
Another thing of note, would be that we need to be careful who we tip our hats to, to be careful of who in the future people might assume
us
to endorse. A font is innocuous enough, that it can be adapted later due to circumstance (should a need arise to disassociate) without damaging the recognize-ability of any logo.
The universal and modular style of blender, is a good point to mimic. A solid dot in the center of the "O" would probably be a subtle
enough
correlation to the blender logo.
This is the pattern of thinking we need in developing logos and "slogans".
Thinking about what sounds catchy only correlates us with random corporate culture. We don't need to be entirely original as we have a history to fall back on. However originality might also help distinguish us from our predecessors, the last thing we want is to fail to distinguish ourselves from your neighborhood corporation.
I would recommend Luke to contact Wenqing Yang a.k.a. "Yummei", using the notability of the project to attract their attention. I would
like
to point out that despite being a cultural figure (famous artist) in the hacktivist community they previously lauched a multi-million dollar successful indiegogo which caused them much heart ache (per their blog) over legal controversy with so-called partners and their personal admonishment that they failed to do enough.
From: Alexander Ross maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Cc: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:07:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos this all these efforts, got me to have a play around too. :)
i was started having a go at one idea of letters inserting into
each
other kinda like a module.
I had put E and O in side the M. it then kinda looked like/spelled
Meoo
like a cat. So what about a darn cat logo? maybe a cat playing with a eoma68
card
in
its paws?
sry for the yet another internet cat image type of suggestion,
never
thought id be making one heh.
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After reading all replies and thinking about them I realized that I have unintentionally made some mistakes and also did not communicate clear enough. Because of the discussion about intel-cards and chinese clones I took inspiration from other certification marks and sigils. What I called a placeholder logo in my previous email should have been called a placeholder certification sigil. It is correct that a logo needs to be quite scalable and that too much text or text at all can be problematic especially when you need it rather small as an icon. On Wednesday I made some quick sketches and tests around the ideas to use a big capital "E" and somehow fill in the other letters. To get enough space I stretched the "E" and realized that I know an already existing logo working on the same principle: It is the logo of the Electronic Frontier Foundation that you can see here: https://www.eff.org/press/logos This can be a problem and I don't want the EOMA68 logo to look like a rip-off. Without stretching the "E" space inside the letter is quite limited. I also try to avoid designs where the letters "OMA" stand out too much because it means grandmother in german and german is my native language.
Today I decided to work with the base forms of the placeholder sigil -- blue circle and green circuit board. As requested I turned the card 90° counter-clockwise. I added a second circle and while testing another idea I coincidentally deformed the circle. I have to admit that I like the result very much. It still represents green earth and blue ocean but also an inserted computer card. You can see it here: https://www.parobalth.org/eoma-logo/EOMA68-base-form.png And with text underneath: https://www.parobalth.org/eoma-logo/EOMA68-base-form-text.png
I used a mono spaced font. It may also look good to use a VGA-font for the text as a reference to text-terminals and classic hackerdom but I could not find one already available for the graphical user interface.
Some thoughts to other mentioned ideas: I do not like the cat idea but maybe can be convinced by a clever designed cat logo. :) The idea about a dot in the "O" of EOMA made me think of fonts where the dot is in the 0 (zero) to distinguish it from O (capital letter O) As we all are somehow computer related I would find such a design confusing. I can not contribute to ideas with "proper historical reference to hacktivism and groups like anonymous" because I am not familiar with their conventions.
More to come...but not today. Goodnight!
I like this new logo it looks promising. Not feeling the yellow/orange for the font though and I'd probably bold it but yeah good stuff
On January 28, 2017 12:03:02 AM GMT+03:00, Parobalth parobalth@gmail.com wrote:
After reading all replies and thinking about them I realized that I have unintentionally made some mistakes and also did not communicate clear enough. Because of the discussion about intel-cards and chinese clones I took inspiration from other certification marks and sigils. What I called a placeholder logo in my previous email should have been called a placeholder certification sigil. It is correct that a logo needs to be quite scalable and that too much text or text at all can be problematic especially when you need it rather small as an icon. On Wednesday I made some quick sketches and tests around the ideas to use a big capital "E" and somehow fill in the other letters. To get enough space I stretched the "E" and realized that I know an already existing logo working on the same principle: It is the logo of the Electronic Frontier Foundation that you can see here: https://www.eff.org/press/logos This can be a problem and I don't want the EOMA68 logo to look like a rip-off. Without stretching the "E" space inside the letter is quite limited. I also try to avoid designs where the letters "OMA" stand out too much because it means grandmother in german and german is my native language.
Today I decided to work with the base forms of the placeholder sigil -- blue circle and green circuit board. As requested I turned the card 90° counter-clockwise. I added a second circle and while testing another idea I coincidentally deformed the circle. I have to admit that I like the result very much. It still represents green earth and blue ocean but also an inserted computer card. You can see it here: https://www.parobalth.org/eoma-logo/EOMA68-base-form.png And with text underneath: https://www.parobalth.org/eoma-logo/EOMA68-base-form-text.png
I used a mono spaced font. It may also look good to use a VGA-font for the text as a reference to text-terminals and classic hackerdom but I could not find one already available for the graphical user interface.
Some thoughts to other mentioned ideas: I do not like the cat idea but maybe can be convinced by a clever designed cat logo. :) The idea about a dot in the "O" of EOMA made me think of fonts where the dot is in the 0 (zero) to distinguish it from O (capital letter O) As we all are somehow computer related I would find such a design confusing. I can not contribute to ideas with "proper historical reference to hacktivism and groups like anonymous" because I am not familiar with their conventions.
More to come...but not today. Goodnight!
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Yea i really like this version. the black bar bugs me a bit tough. what about the card being more "fully inserted". So the edge is just/partly(?) in the edge of the circle? idk wondering what it would look like..
yea the cat suggestion was more for fun. i has opportunity we could say to take (promp?) photos of pcima cards with cats... so i was thinking of chessebuger type pic like: i haz z eoma!_**68**_ card (paws rapped about pcima card)
idk see what happens, busy for the next few weeks anyway.
lol just imagined a promo vid. cat on its back in the sun with a wild look on its face with a "what the..." look with a speech bubble of memoow! Is thzt Next gen EOMA68 cardz! then the juggle song of: MEEOW! ... EOMA. (then from a kid or character or other cat pops up with a crowd cheer like, happy loud 68 and sigh with the number 68 pops into the corner of da picture?) 68...!
need to make it really for ya to see what i see... but i cant make it to how i imagine it. arr well i could only try :)
fun potential.
Hence why I agree entirely: the word libre should not be in the logo.
This shouldn't stop us from making subtle hints to the fact it is something of a community that believes libre should be universal, inside the logo.
On 1/27/17, Allan Mwenda allanitomwesh@gmail.com wrote:
Well, the EOMA68-A20 is only fully libre in the libre tea card version. Now that I think further into it, are the standard/hardware designs some sort of copyleft to compell third parties to also share their card designs back? Anyway, it is very likely that if someone else picks this up, who isn't as diligent as Luke, they will make a not so libre card and try passing it off as libre using the logo (if it says so in the eoma logo, and the card passes eoma certification) FSFs definition is the strictest and the RYF certification is already worth its weight, in that, if you can convince FSF something is libre, there's very little chance it isn't. A good example is the Librem 13 laptop, which was initially marketed as libre ( but wasn't even close) which breezed it through funding and is now marketed as "privacy respecting" after failing RYF.
On January 27, 2017 12:39:46 PM GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson eaterjolly@gmail.com wrote:
There are two ways to interprete that bear in mind. We probably want the logo to contain libre (or references/parts thereof), but you would be right to say we probably don't want libre itself in the logo.
We don't want to hinge too much on the fact we promote libre, because optimally libre would be ~~assumed~~ in all things computer. We don't want to set the theme that it should be a buzz word, however it should represent a standard of the way things simply should be.
That being said, while we don't want libre to symbolize eoma, we still want eoma to symbolize libre and we still want a logo which reminds people of that and allows the one's who care to take solace in the presence of our logo. Don't forget!
On 1/27/17, Allan Mwenda allanitomwesh@gmail.com wrote:
Definitely no cats too. I think the caps font used in the logo example previously is great. Adding to that, I think we should not put libre in the logo. If
someone
wants that let them sweat extra for RYF certification.
On January 26, 2017 10:04:56 AM GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson eaterjolly@gmail.com wrote:
I would highly recommend avoiding any logos, without proper
historical
reference. One of the problems with traditional Linux icons, are that they are very un-iconic. It's better to be textually based, in my opinion, than to use disorienting imagery. At this point, most of the clay has already set so referencing/alluding-to other gnu projects [such as blender] wouldn't be detrimental, however ascii has a very richer history of use by "hacktivists".
Referencing some historically relevant (to "hacktivism") ascii iconography either overtly or subtly, kindof more or less as a hat
tip
to communities which support said historical events will cause the logo a greater likelihood of being regarded as iconic. I wish I had specific examples, but possibly using cloister black font would be a subtle hat tip to anonymous for some individuals use of various letters in that font as copy-cat of L from Death Note.
Another thing of note, would be that we need to be careful who we tip our hats to, to be careful of who in the future people might assume
us
to endorse. A font is innocuous enough, that it can be adapted later due to circumstance (should a need arise to disassociate) without damaging the recognize-ability of any logo.
The universal and modular style of blender, is a good point to mimic. A solid dot in the center of the "O" would probably be a subtle
enough
correlation to the blender logo.
This is the pattern of thinking we need in developing logos and "slogans".
Thinking about what sounds catchy only correlates us with random corporate culture. We don't need to be entirely original as we have a history to fall back on. However originality might also help distinguish us from our predecessors, the last thing we want is to fail to distinguish ourselves from your neighborhood corporation.
I would recommend Luke to contact Wenqing Yang a.k.a. "Yummei", using the notability of the project to attract their attention. I would
like
to point out that despite being a cultural figure (famous artist) in the hacktivist community they previously lauched a multi-million dollar successful indiegogo which caused them much heart ache (per their blog) over legal controversy with so-called partners and their personal admonishment that they failed to do enough.
From: Alexander Ross maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Cc: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:07:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos this all these efforts, got me to have a play around too. :)
i was started having a go at one idea of letters inserting into
each
other kinda like a module.
I had put E and O in side the M. it then kinda looked like/spelled
Meoo
like a cat. So what about a darn cat logo? maybe a cat playing with a eoma68
card
in
its paws?
sry for the yet another internet cat image type of suggestion,
never
thought id be making one heh.
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Proprietary OSes and even no OS in the case of FPGAs is permitted, they just cant put in DRM, and the Certification costs which are waived for libre projects will be a LOT.
On Friday, January 27, 2017, John Luke Gibson eaterjolly@gmail.com wrote:
There are two ways to interprete that bear in mind. We probably want the logo to contain libre (or references/parts thereof), but you would be right to say we probably don't want libre itself in the logo.
We don't want to hinge too much on the fact we promote libre, because optimally libre would be ~~assumed~~ in all things computer. We don't want to set the theme that it should be a buzz word, however it should represent a standard of the way things simply should be.
That being said, while we don't want libre to symbolize eoma, we still want eoma to symbolize libre and we still want a logo which reminds people of that and allows the one's who care to take solace in the presence of our logo. Don't forget!
On 1/27/17, Allan Mwenda allanitomwesh@gmail.com wrote:
Definitely no cats too. I think the caps font used in the logo example previously is great. Adding to that, I think we should not put libre in the logo. If someone wants that let them sweat extra for RYF certification.
On January 26, 2017 10:04:56 AM GMT+03:00, John Luke Gibson eaterjolly@gmail.com wrote:
I would highly recommend avoiding any logos, without proper historical reference. One of the problems with traditional Linux icons, are that they are very un-iconic. It's better to be textually based, in my opinion, than to use disorienting imagery. At this point, most of the clay has already set so referencing/alluding-to other gnu projects [such as blender] wouldn't be detrimental, however ascii has a very richer history of use by "hacktivists".
Referencing some historically relevant (to "hacktivism") ascii iconography either overtly or subtly, kindof more or less as a hat tip to communities which support said historical events will cause the logo a greater likelihood of being regarded as iconic. I wish I had specific examples, but possibly using cloister black font would be a subtle hat tip to anonymous for some individuals use of various letters in that font as copy-cat of L from Death Note.
Another thing of note, would be that we need to be careful who we tip our hats to, to be careful of who in the future people might assume us to endorse. A font is innocuous enough, that it can be adapted later due to circumstance (should a need arise to disassociate) without damaging the recognize-ability of any logo.
The universal and modular style of blender, is a good point to mimic. A solid dot in the center of the "O" would probably be a subtle enough correlation to the blender logo.
This is the pattern of thinking we need in developing logos and "slogans".
Thinking about what sounds catchy only correlates us with random corporate culture. We don't need to be entirely original as we have a history to fall back on. However originality might also help distinguish us from our predecessors, the last thing we want is to fail to distinguish ourselves from your neighborhood corporation.
I would recommend Luke to contact Wenqing Yang a.k.a. "Yummei", using the notability of the project to attract their attention. I would like to point out that despite being a cultural figure (famous artist) in the hacktivist community they previously lauched a multi-million dollar successful indiegogo which caused them much heart ache (per their blog) over legal controversy with so-called partners and their personal admonishment that they failed to do enough.
From: Alexander Ross maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Cc: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:07:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos this all these efforts, got me to have a play around too. :)
i was started having a go at one idea of letters inserting into each other kinda like a module.
I had put E and O in side the M. it then kinda looked like/spelled
Meoo
like a cat. So what about a darn cat logo? maybe a cat playing with a eoma68 card
in
its paws?
sry for the yet another internet cat image type of suggestion, never thought id be making one heh.
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Hm, I understand that in practice.
Just feels like a cop-out on paper. Does anyone know about a mailing-list with ethereum programmers who are as serious as Luke about getting stuff done the proper way?
Contract security seems like a joke these days. And, for a VM with no hardware visibility, EVM assembly seems unnecessarily complicated.
I feel like even for cryptocurrency detractors, Taler could get implemented on ethereum.
Without a kickstarter or liberpay, with customize-able rules, like raising an advance fund, for a free culture initiative.
Without advance funds, I don't believe free culture can effectively get funded.
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 12:18 AM, Jean Flamelle eaterjolly@gmail.com wrote:
Without advance funds, I don't believe free culture can effectively get funded.
money is empowerment, it is stored energy (potential energy).
the key i found to a successful crowd-funding campaign was being able to explain the "why", effectively. ethical technology had no "why" until the consequences of *unethical* technology started to hit home. example: someone just very recently sent me a link to assange's last video before his internet and other communications were cut off by the ecuadorian embassy.
l.
I don't like the word empowerment much, because I don't like the word "power" as too vague and too loaded.
"Money" acts as a sybil certificate in a massive anonymous support economy, a transfer-able proof-of-work.
I don't believe the opposite capitalism and communism take opposite extremes, I believe communism and proprietary-ism do. The idea about a community, means everyone could learn how to complete any task without difficulty. That's the ideal.
If everyone knows how to complete every task and enough bodies lend their support, money loses necessity.
Forgive me chiming in with an admittedly esoteric viewpoint... but...
What if "money" was a system of measurement, without intrinsic value...? What I'm envisioning is a barter economy, regulated somewhat like communistic states do -- but using a standardized system of worth-measurement.
So, say I had bricks of cheese, and you had boxes of eggs. Given that my cheese is say 0.5kg/brick, and you have 12 eggs to a box, we'd look up how much the gov't says our relative goods are worth, and exchange proportionately. So, say, one kg of cheese is worth ten credits that day, and three eggs is worth one credit, so I'd get fifteen eggs per brick of cheese, or five boxes of eggs for every four bricks of cheese if I've got my math right (sorry, I'm severely math-challenged -- to the level of having some sort of otherwise-unnamed "math fluency disorder" that I was labeled with in grade school... the gist is that I understand the *concepts* on actually something of a slightly advanced level, but I can't manage the actual *exercises*, real-world or textbook, without a half-decent calculator).
Alternatively, in a less-regulated society, we'd haggle for a while and figure out for ourselves what eggs and cheese should be worth -- although that somewhat sidesteps the need for standardized units altogether. Of course, that one guy who only has stuff that absolutely nobody wants, kinda gets into a bit of trouble in a barter economy... the conceptual system is not without its flaws. But, hey, that's true of everything out there, so... I dunno. /shrug
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 3:02 AM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:
Forgive me chiming in with an admittedly esoteric viewpoint... but...
What if "money" was a system of measurement, without intrinsic value...? What I'm envisioning is a barter economy,
i would hazard a guess that that would work well in closely-knit small communities (and probably does).
l.
On Sep 21, 2018, at 20:02, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:
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Interesting economic scenario. I think it works best when the arbiter of the exchange rate for goods is impartial. Otherwise the exchange rate would be influenced by biases.
if I've got my math right (sorry, I'm severely math-challenged -- to the level of having some sort of otherwise-unnamed "math fluency disorder" that I was labeled with in grade school... the gist is that I understand the *concepts* on actually something of a slightly advanced level, but I can't manage the actual *exercises*, real-world or textbook, without a half-decent calculator).
In this case, the arithmetic associated with your example seems to work out fine. Maybe you've outgrown the "math fluency disorder"? In my recollection it seems boys' brains mature later and I know there can be significant individual variation in the timing.
Alternatively, in a less-regulated society, we'd haggle for a while and figure out for ourselves what eggs and cheese should be worth -- although that somewhat sidesteps the need for standardized units altogether.
This avoids the bias of a government official--exchanging that for the biases of each potential customer.
Of course, that one guy who only has stuff that absolutely nobody wants, kinda gets into a bit of trouble in a barter economy... the conceptual system is not without its flaws. But, hey, that's true of everything out there, so... I dunno. /shrug
That guy goes bankrupt if he doesn't adapt to the market demand in capitalism.
Sincerely, Richard
On Saturday, September 22, 2018, Richard Wilbur richard.wilbur@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 21, 2018, at 20:02, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:
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Interesting economic scenario. I think it works best when the arbiter of the exchange rate for goods is impartial. Otherwise the exchange rate would be influenced by biases.
This is where blockchain on a global scale helps at a local one (if adopted properly) as the maths of PKI is inviolate and now well known if only indirectly.
It is the first time in human history where third party arbitration may be replaced with inviolate mathenatics.
An individual selling at a biased rate will have that unfair exchange recorded forever. If all sellers refuse to use anything other than that mechanism, no unfair exhange can take place.
So the trick is, to identify those locations and communities who are being taken advantage of and offer them something inviolate. Westerners have not had to live the same kind of hell described in Professor Yunus book, so the innovation for real economic change is unlikely to sprout there.
@Christopher, I would describe my issue with that interpretation as follows
One doesn't transfer meters between traders. One can't transfer a measurement.
Also, a measurement doesn't require difficulty by nature. We can always pull tape further, however, if one doesn't have enough money to count to a large enough number, acquiring more money requires non-trivial difficulty.
Also, as far as we know distance has no limit. Any money counted, represents a fraction of all money in circulation with a calculable maximum.
I return to my contention that money merely acts as a sybil certificate.
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