I assume that's going to be the third series of libre cards right? you making a lowrisc based processor and graphics, etc,
I am sure you can succeed. I look forward to still getting the second revision still though. :)
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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:50 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
I assume that's going to be the third series of libre cards right? you making a lowrisc based processor and graphics, etc,
more likely the fourth or fifth. all these things happen in parallel. the one after the RK3288 to investigate is the RK3399 (6-core). also i've heard that the iMX7 is out so am having a look at that.
I am sure you can succeed. I look forward to still getting the second revision still though. :)
:)
http://rockchip.wikidot.com/rk3399
According to this the rk3399 has support on everything. Does that mean that it does not have any gpl violations or blobs required ?
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:50 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
I assume that's going to be the third series of libre cards right? you making a lowrisc based processor and graphics, etc,
more likely the fourth or fifth. all these things happen in parallel. the one after the RK3288 to investigate is the RK3399 (6-core). also i've heard that the iMX7 is out so am having a look at that.
I am sure you can succeed. I look forward to still getting the second revision still though. :)
:)
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On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Bill Kontos vkontogpls@gmail.com wrote:
http://rockchip.wikidot.com/rk3399
According to this the rk3399 has support on everything. Does that mean that it does not have any gpl violations or blobs required ?
as best i can make out that would be a correct assessment. what i am missing is a reference design. it would be a total waste of my time and highly irresponsible to try to start from scratch, so i'll wait until a design "percolates out" onto taobao :)
l.
On 05/03/2017 01:01 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:50 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
I assume that's going to be the third series of libre cards right? you making a lowrisc based processor and graphics, etc,
more likely the fourth or fifth. all these things happen in parallel. the one after the RK3288 to investigate is the RK3399 (6-core). also i've heard that the iMX7 is out so am having a look at that.
RK3399... 11.0 ghz speed if you count all the four cores which are 2 ghz each and 1.5 for the other ones...
wow...
I wonder how much watts that processor uses...
that is crazy fast. I mean really... 4GB ram too I see as the norm. which is good.
on a different note though, perchance will the fourth or fifth series of libre cards support 8gb of ram or more?
I bet you could even get it to 16gb if you wanted... though that wouldn't be needed. heh.
I am sure you can succeed. I look forward to still getting the second revision still though. :)
:)
I am impressed by your findings keep it up pal... hehe.
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On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:28 AM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
On 05/03/2017 01:01 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:50 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
I assume that's going to be the third series of libre cards right? you making a lowrisc based processor and graphics, etc,
more likely the fourth or fifth. all these things happen in parallel. the one after the RK3288 to investigate is the RK3399 (6-core). also i've heard that the iMX7 is out so am having a look at that.
RK3399... 11.0 ghz speed if you count all the four cores which are 2 ghz each and 1.5 for the other ones...
wow...
I wonder how much watts that processor uses...
that is crazy fast. I mean really... 4GB ram too I see as the norm. which is good.
on a different note though, perchance will the fourth or fifth series of libre cards support 8gb of ram or more?
I bet you could even get it to 16gb if you wanted... though that wouldn't be needed. heh.
the cost of the RAM ICs to do that are insane. the 1GB DDR3x16 ICs are already $10 **EACH**.
normally a DIMM would have 8 or 16 RAM ICs, meaning that for a 4GB DIMM you need 8x 512mb ICs, or you could do 8GB by using 16 of them.
normally you get 2 (matched) DIMMS totalling 8GB.
if you want *32* GB you get 2 matched DIMMs, but nobody in "mass-production" is shipping windows PCs or laptops with 32GB of RAM (and if they are it's DDR4)
additionally, it would need either 2 pairs of x32 DDR RAM controllers, or it would be necessary to do a cascade layout: a daisy-chain of RAM ICs.... and i'm not sure it would be possible to fit 8 RAM ICs onto the 43x78mm PCB anyway.
bottom line it's far too expensive and quite impractical. 4GB is the practical limit at the moment and even that's stupidly expensive relatively speaking.
l.
On 05/03/2017 06:38 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:28 AM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
On 05/03/2017 01:01 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:50 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
I assume that's going to be the third series of libre cards right? you making a lowrisc based processor and graphics, etc,
more likely the fourth or fifth. all these things happen in parallel. the one after the RK3288 to investigate is the RK3399 (6-core). also i've heard that the iMX7 is out so am having a look at that.
RK3399... 11.0 ghz speed if you count all the four cores which are 2 ghz each and 1.5 for the other ones...
wow...
I wonder how much watts that processor uses...
that is crazy fast. I mean really... 4GB ram too I see as the norm. which is good.
on a different note though, perchance will the fourth or fifth series of libre cards support 8gb of ram or more?
I bet you could even get it to 16gb if you wanted... though that wouldn't be needed. heh.
the cost of the RAM ICs to do that are insane. the 1GB DDR3x16 ICs are already $10 **EACH**.
normally a DIMM would have 8 or 16 RAM ICs, meaning that for a 4GB DIMM you need 8x 512mb ICs, or you could do 8GB by using 16 of them.
normally you get 2 (matched) DIMMS totalling 8GB.
if you want *32* GB you get 2 matched DIMMs, but nobody in "mass-production" is shipping windows PCs or laptops with 32GB of RAM (and if they are it's DDR4)
additionally, it would need either 2 pairs of x32 DDR RAM controllers, or it would be necessary to do a cascade layout: a daisy-chain of RAM ICs.... and i'm not sure it would be possible to fit 8 RAM ICs onto the 43x78mm PCB anyway.
bottom line it's far too expensive and quite impractical. 4GB is the practical limit at the moment and even that's stupidly expensive relatively speaking.
l.
Ah... okay I had no idea it would be that expensive if you made it from scratch. my bad.
I will add that 32gb is absolutely insane and even 16gb is.
I wouldn't need that :)
8 would be my limit and even that is a want per-say... :)
but if it would be impractical then screw it I say. :)
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On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:46 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
bottom line it's far too expensive and quite impractical. 4GB is the practical limit at the moment and even that's stupidly expensive relatively speaking.
l.
Ah... okay I had no idea it would be that expensive if you made it from scratch. my bad.
hey not a problem. just have to keep an eye on prices for DDR3 (and DDR4 when it's more popular for ECs) over the next few years.
l.
There is currently a cartel going on on ram ICs. Once the chinese offered the last american ram producing company( I forget it's name) to move its production to China, ram pricing started climbing, the company is healthy again and we are still seeing price hikes, so China is for once investing in homegrown production. My guess it will be no earlier than 2019 before we see prices dropping again.
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:46 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
bottom line it's far too expensive and quite impractical. 4GB is the practical limit at the moment and even that's stupidly expensive relatively speaking.
l.
Ah... okay I had no idea it would be that expensive if you made it from scratch. my bad.
hey not a problem. just have to keep an eye on prices for DDR3 (and DDR4 when it's more popular for ECs) over the next few years.
l.
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On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Bill Kontos vkontogpls@gmail.com wrote:
There is currently a cartel going on on ram ICs.
*sigh* now why doesn't that surprise me. i mean, DDR3 800mhz can be done in 90nm for god's sake.
l.
This is so true. Especially on DDR4 sticks they're basically price fixing at this point.
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Bill Kontos vkontogpls@gmail.com wrote:
There is currently a cartel going on on ram ICs. Once the chinese offered the last american ram producing company( I forget it's name) to move its production to China, ram pricing started climbing, the company is healthy again and we are still seeing price hikes, so China is for once investing in homegrown production. My guess it will be no earlier than 2019 before we see prices dropping again.
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton < lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:46 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
bottom line it's far too expensive and quite impractical. 4GB is the practical limit at the moment and even that's stupidly expensive relatively speaking.
l.
Ah... okay I had no idea it would be that expensive if you made it from scratch. my bad.
hey not a problem. just have to keep an eye on prices for DDR3 (and DDR4 when it's more popular for ECs) over the next few years.
l.
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On 05/03/2017 09:50 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:46 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
bottom line it's far too expensive and quite impractical. 4GB is the practical limit at the moment and even that's stupidly expensive relatively speaking.
l.
Ah... okay I had no idea it would be that expensive if you made it from scratch. my bad.
hey not a problem. just have to keep an eye on prices for DDR3 (and DDR4 when it's more popular for ECs) over the next few years.
l.
Well considering what is happening in todays world, it may very well go down in price...
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On 05/03/2017 06:42 PM, zap wrote:
On 05/03/2017 09:50 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:46 PM, zap zapper@openmailbox.org wrote:
bottom line it's far too expensive and quite impractical. 4GB is the practical limit at the moment and even that's stupidly expensive relatively speaking.
l.
Ah... okay I had no idea it would be that expensive if you made it from scratch. my bad.
hey not a problem. just have to keep an eye on prices for DDR3 (and DDR4 when it's more popular for ECs) over the next few years.
l.
Well considering what is happening in todays world, it may very well go down in price...
In the future I mean...
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