Technoethical - a good-looking seller of HW with Libre SW & firmware (Technoethical holds RYF certification)
Hi,
I just came across Technoethical (https://tehnoetic.com/ ) and was surprised by the range of libre products they sell. Technoethical is also RYF (https://ryf.fsf.org/ ) certified.
Luke, it might be worth contacting them with EOMA notebooks.
Cheers,
-- Jan
On 07/06/2017 06:04 AM, dumblob wrote:
Hi,
I just came across Technoethical (https://tehnoetic.com/ ) and was surprised by the range of libre products they sell. Technoethical is also RYF (https://ryf.fsf.org/ ) certified.
Luke, it might be worth contacting them with EOMA notebooks.
Cheers,
-- Jan
Alas, the owner of that company says that eoma68-a20 is not libre hardware...
so I doubt he would be easy to convince... no maybe impossible even...
meh...
On 07/06/2017 06:57 AM, zap wrote:
On 07/06/2017 06:04 AM, dumblob wrote:
Hi,
I just came across Technoethical (https://tehnoetic.com/ ) and was surprised by the range of libre products they sell. Technoethical is also RYF (https://ryf.fsf.org/ ) certified.
Luke, it might be worth contacting them with EOMA notebooks.
Cheers,
-- Jan
Alas, the owner of that company says that eoma68-a20 is not libre hardware...
so I doubt he would be easy to convince... no maybe impossible even...
meh...
Sorry if this sounds pessimistic, but he, tct, has been acting a bit odd of late... I wish tct well but, even more so for Luke for being so much more reasonable and chris from thinkpenguin for sponsoring Luke.
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 11:57 AM, zap calmstorm@posteo.de wrote:
Alas, the owner of that company says that eoma68-a20 is not libre hardware...
this does not surprise me. if he has been talking to the guy known as "francis", who is best known for selling thinkpad x200 libre laptops, but is less well-known for causing a hell of a lot of problems, then yes he will be badly misled and misinformed.
it happens.
l.
On 07/06/2017 07:29 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 11:57 AM, zap calmstorm@posteo.de wrote:
Alas, the owner of that company says that eoma68-a20 is not libre hardware...
this does not surprise me. if he has been talking to the guy known as "francis", who is best known for selling thinkpad x200 libre laptops, but is less well-known for causing a hell of a lot of problems, then yes he will be badly misled and misinformed.
it happens.
Actually no, he is now known as Leah. Your thinking of tct from trisquel forums...
Francis who is known as Leah now, owns minifree not tehnoetic...
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 06:57:32AM -0400, zap wrote:
On 07/06/2017 06:04 AM, dumblob wrote:
Hi,
I just came across Technoethical (https://tehnoetic.com/ ) and was surprised by the range of libre products they sell. Technoethical is also RYF (https://ryf.fsf.org/ ) certified.
Luke, it might be worth contacting them with EOMA notebooks.
Cheers,
-- Jan
Alas, the owner of that company says that eoma68-a20 is not libre hardware...
so I doubt he would be easy to convince... no maybe impossible even...
meh...
I believe tct’s reasons for saying EOMA68-A20 isn’t libre will no longer matter once it is released. Please don’t dismiss tct just for having a different definition of libre.
On 07/06/2017 09:35 AM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 06:57:32AM -0400, zap wrote:
On 07/06/2017 06:04 AM, dumblob wrote:
Hi,
I just came across Technoethical (https://tehnoetic.com/ ) and was surprised by the range of libre products they sell. Technoethical is also RYF (https://ryf.fsf.org/ ) certified.
Luke, it might be worth contacting them with EOMA notebooks.
Cheers,
-- Jan
Alas, the owner of that company says that eoma68-a20 is not libre hardware...
so I doubt he would be easy to convince... no maybe impossible even...
meh...
I believe tct’s reasons for saying EOMA68-A20 isn’t libre will no longer matter once it is released. Please don’t dismiss tct just for having a different definition of libre.
Well, I hope your right, he has been acting odd if you use trisquel forums... you will see what I mean...
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On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:36 PM, zap calmstorm@posteo.de wrote:
Well, I hope your right, he has been acting odd if you use trisquel forums... you will see what I mean...
i know what to expect - i've seen it happen before. people get it into their heads that i'm a threat (or in this case that chris is a threat), and they will do absolutely anything - twist, evade, deliberately misunderstand and outright lie - *anything* as long as they can justify, in their minds, staying away from me or anything that i'm doing (or in this case what chris does).
you also have to remember that tct's WIFI products are based on chris's work (2 years of walking qualcomm through the process of releasing the atheros 9271 firmware source code). that will be a source of embarrassment for him. luckily, the majority of people who do business with chris (and e.g. populate the trisquel forums) know the story.
l.
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 09:36:13AM -0400, zap wrote:
On 07/06/2017 09:35 AM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 06:57:32AM -0400, zap wrote:
On 07/06/2017 06:04 AM, dumblob wrote:
Hi,
I just came across Technoethical (https://tehnoetic.com/ ) and was surprised by the range of libre products they sell. Technoethical is also RYF (https://ryf.fsf.org/ ) certified.
Luke, it might be worth contacting them with EOMA notebooks.
Cheers,
-- Jan
Alas, the owner of that company says that eoma68-a20 is not libre hardware...
so I doubt he would be easy to convince... no maybe impossible even...
meh...
I believe tct’s reasons for saying EOMA68-A20 isn’t libre will no longer matter once it is released. Please don’t dismiss tct just for having a different definition of libre.
Well, I hope your right, he has been acting odd if you use trisquel forums... you will see what I mean...
I suppose you are talking about discussions like this:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/technoethical-t400s-now-available
It seems tct often participates in unfriendly discussions (be they on the Trisquel forum or the Parabola mailing list), but to me it seems this sometimes is the right approach (and sometimes is not).
Anyway, we two seem to agree that talking to Tehnoetic is worth a try when EOMA68-A20 is ready.
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:32 PM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de wrote:
Anyway, we two seem to agree that talking to Tehnoetic is worth a try when EOMA68-A20 is ready.
mmm.... no. i'm not going to initiate any conversations: i know enough to know that doing so would not be a good idea. effort which would centre around trying to disabuse someone of what *appears* on the face of it to be preconceptions but in fact is a deliberate effort to rubbish a "competing" product, such that once you had knocked down one straw man they would simply.... create a new one... could instead be focussed on much more productive areas and on much more receptive people.
if however they contact _me_, then that would be an indication that they're ready to listen.
l.
btw what i suspect is that tch is expecting to blithely copy the entire EOMA68-A20 hardware, with the expectation of spongeing off of the time and effort put into it. just like he did by spongeing off of chris's work with the AR9271 chain of devices.
what he doesn't realise is that it's dangerous to do that (hardware interoperability) if he screws it up in even the smallest way it brings the entire EOMA68 project into disrepute. you only have to look at how chinese clones of USB3 cables are screwing up the power provision and damaging people's devices to know that hardware is not something you mess about with.
l.
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 04:06:13PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
btw what i suspect is that tch is expecting to blithely copy the entire EOMA68-A20 hardware, with the expectation of spongeing off of the time and effort put into it. just like he did by spongeing off of chris's work with the AR9271 chain of devices.
what he doesn't realise is that it's dangerous to do that (hardware interoperability) if he screws it up in even the smallest way it brings the entire EOMA68 project into disrepute. you only have to look at how chinese clones of USB3 cables are screwing up the power provision and damaging people's devices to know that hardware is not something you mess about with.
l.
Sounds like the divisions sadly are deeper than I thought. Thank you for the clarification and all your work.
Regards, Florian
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 5:16 PM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de wrote:
Sounds like the divisions sadly are deeper than I thought.
it's not "divisions", it's very simple: the EOMA68 Certification Mark requires that people Certify the products that they intend to manufacture and sell, for safety reasons. i am not just blithely going to let people randomly create hardware, slap an EOMA68 logo on it and then be sued or imprisoned because somebody was killed in a lithium battery fire.
this is *really serious*, and must take absolute precedence over *any* kind of "freedoms" offered by libre hardware and libre software licenses.
l.
According to dumblob: # I just came across Technoethical (https://tehnoetic.com/ ) and was # surprised by the range of libre products they sell.
Looking at the laptops, they're all refurbished Thinkpads with Intel inside. I would perform a libre installation on such hardware if someone already owned it, but I would certainly never consider selling it as anything close to libre hardware. It has been said that the software makes all the difference, but Intel ucode really is a thing, and the stuff they have hidden in their CPU's for years makes libre software pretty much moot. Just my 2 Satoshi. Sent from the end
Hi Kyle,
Looking at the laptops, they're all refurbished Thinkpads with Intel inside. I would perform a libre installation on such hardware if someone already owned it, but I would certainly never consider selling it as anything close to libre hardware. It has been said that the software makes all the difference, but Intel ucode really is a thing, and the stuff they have hidden in their CPU's for years makes libre software pretty much moot.
Correct. I should have used the official term "libre-friendly" instead of "libre".
Cheers,
-- Jan
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