Luke just a little confused, are you saying if im from the first batch i wont get an eoma68 this June/July 2018? ________________________________ From: arm-netbook arm-netbook-bounces@lists.phcomp.co.uk on behalf of arm-netbook-request@lists.phcomp.co.uk arm-netbook-request@lists.phcomp.co.uk Sent: December 29, 2017 4:13:18 PM To: arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: arm-netbook Digest, Vol 89, Issue 31
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1. Re: Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC (mike.valk@gmail.com) 2. Re: EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) 3. Re: Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC (mike.valk@gmail.com) 4. Re: EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) 5. Re: Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) 6. Re: Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) 7. Re: EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing (Alexander Ross) 8. Re: EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing (Sam Huntress)
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:21:09 +0100 From: "mike.valk@gmail.com" mike.valk@gmail.com To: Eco-Conscious Computing arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC Message-ID: CAJ2nOYA8x22QQxk-VWMJ1waoA+Hhvy4bSmgY7jAp+H42CtNwfg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
2017-12-29 15:37 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net:
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:25 PM, mike.valk@gmail.com mike.valk@gmail.com wrote:
3D. Wasn't there a PoC from some students in the open macro's? Perhaps those guys can be hired to refine their work?
can you point me towards it with some clues?
I can't seem to find it at the moment.
Did find this:
https://github.com/VerticalResearchGroup/miaow/wiki https://github.com/jbush001/NyuziProcessor/wiki https://github.com/jbush001/NyuziProcessor/wiki/Similar-Projects
Might as well be the Nyuzi one
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:23:35 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net To: Eco-Conscious Computing arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing Message-ID: CAPweEDzJV3csLHTPK2ZPdzDK7qVtn=gcFd6kc2Xz9mwdB3voWg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Julie Marchant onpon4@riseup.net wrote:
I'm not familiar with the terms "first batch" and "second batch" as it pertains to this project. Which was the first and which was the second?
the first batch was the first crowd-funded campaign: august 2016. after that, crowdsupply effectively turned the site into a "pre-order shop". none of the money from this SECOND batch has left crowdsupply's bank account.
for the first batch, $175k, $25k appx is held by crowdsupply because they'll be handling world-wide shipping. $130k of the $175k went to thinkpenguin. $60k of that $130k immediately went to the factory in china. $25k is left in thinkpenguin's bank account, to deal with the laptops when we get to it. $45k of the $60k is left in mike's bank account in china and that is ENTIRELY taken up with components and PCBs for the EOMA68-A20 2.7.5 and Microdesktop 1.7.
so if you're in the first batch there *is* nothing spare to refund *to* anyone. hence the question is absolutely critical because attempting to pull out money which doesn't exist and/or has been allocated for some considerable time does a LOT of damage.
but, the 2nd batch? not a problem at all.
l.
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:24:02 +0100 From: "mike.valk@gmail.com" mike.valk@gmail.com To: Eco-Conscious Computing arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC Message-ID: CAJ2nOYDcL3K6F1EyTkCwwB21ig73tqdK=ftb1tbgjmrPbXrgUg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
2017-12-29 16:21 GMT+01:00 mike.valk@gmail.com mike.valk@gmail.com:
2017-12-29 15:37 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net:
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:25 PM, mike.valk@gmail.com mike.valk@gmail.com wrote:
3D. Wasn't there a PoC from some students in the open macro's? Perhaps those guys can be hired to refine their work?
can you point me towards it with some clues?
I can't seem to find it at the moment.
AH it was the ORGFX now ORSOC I guess https://opencores.org/project,orsoc_graphics_accelerator
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Message: 4 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:34:20 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net To: Eco-Conscious Computing arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing Message-ID: CAPweEDx2_6ZSey7pKXiwj7wMbxBi3LuzxaNZAW=95tP+djAsvg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Sam Huntress samhuntress@gmail.com wrote:
We all seem to be talking past each other and I fear we may have some confusion about what a ponzi scheme actually is.
In a ponzi scheme, money is taken from 'investors' under the false pretense (lie) that it will be used to fund operations with a positive return on investment when actually that money is just stashed and given back out to 'investors' as a fake 'return' on their 'investment'.
... down the tree until it collapses, yes.
apart from the US Federal Reserve Ponzi scheme that was cascade-created in 2007 by issuing UNREGULATED bonds a THOUSAND times larger than the entire U.S. Govt regulated market at the time and so consequently it is still in the process of collapsing, what's the largest ponzi scheme that's ever been recorded in human history?
in that historically-recorded ponzi scheme, what order of magnitude of money changed hands? (ignoring the multi multi trillion dollar 2007 US Fed Res ponzi scheme)
In this case, the investments they claim to be making are almost 100% traceable and provable. The Bitcoin ledger can be used to see which wallets all mined bitcoins have gone to and Bitclub can use standard public/private key signatures to verify that they own one or more of those wallets.
you mean, starting e.g. from here: https://bitclubpool.com/index.php?p=stats and here: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/bitclubnetwork
If Bitclub cannot provide this verification then they may not be technically competent enough to make good investments.
Given that they already have your money, the best thing to do is hope that whatever they are running (legitimate or not) holds up long enough for you to get back what you put in.
sam you underestimate the scope of what i seek to achieve here. i'm looking to leverage this so that the team of engineers can be paid for to design the RISCV-64 SoC, the eco-conscious smartphone can be paid for, and in about a year to 18 months time a foundry line of chips can be paid for - outright.
i'm certainl not "looking to get back $3500" that's for sure! and *i* am not *personally* looking to get back money beyond that which is sufficient to live on: i am looking to leverage this to fund some absolutely amazing...
... AND ECO-CONSCIOUS ....
... projects.
including REPLACING bitcoin.
l.
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Message: 5 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:35:07 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net To: Eco-Conscious Computing arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC Message-ID: CAPweEDyTi=m_TvK5S-PHne9e5T0=ON+dEhSW3qh=NjTUE4Jf9w@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:24 PM, mike.valk@gmail.com mike.valk@gmail.com wrote:
2017-12-29 16:21 GMT+01:00 mike.valk@gmail.com mike.valk@gmail.com:
2017-12-29 15:37 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net:
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:25 PM, mike.valk@gmail.com mike.valk@gmail.com wrote:
3D. Wasn't there a PoC from some students in the open macro's? Perhaps those guys can be hired to refine their work?
can you point me towards it with some clues?
I can't seem to find it at the moment.
AH it was the ORGFX now ORSOC I guess https://opencores.org/project,orsoc_graphics_accelerator
yeah that's the one i found, too. that's the one - one of the ones - i want to fund.
l.
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Message: 6 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:37:40 +0000 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net To: Eco-Conscious Computing arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC Message-ID: CAPweEDz2kV+HsYci91TDs5QtCpOqmjATAe5TGxTFCRvUcjAXkQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:21 PM, mike.valk@gmail.com mike.valk@gmail.com wrote:
2017-12-29 15:37 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net:
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:25 PM, mike.valk@gmail.com mike.valk@gmail.com wrote:
3D. Wasn't there a PoC from some students in the open macro's? Perhaps those guys can be hired to refine their work?
can you point me towards it with some clues?
I can't seem to find it at the moment.
Did find this:
https://github.com/VerticalResearchGroup/miaow/wiki https://github.com/jbush001/NyuziProcessor/wiki https://github.com/jbush001/NyuziProcessor/wiki/Similar-Projects
Might as well be the Nyuzi one
ah yehhh! thank you for reminding me! yeah i forgot about his work, thank you. i know why i forgot it: i spoke to its developer, he said there's some severe limitations... something about how it was put together, it was never really intended to go above.... 50mhz (in an FPGA) or... something. there was a fundamental design flaw in other words.
might have changed since then.
but i went, "hmm, MIAOU shader engine plus ORSOC_GPU plus RISC-V core would do *really* well"
l.
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Message: 7 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:07:03 +0000 From: Alexander Ross maillist_arm-netbook@aross.me To: Linux on small ARM machines arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing Message-ID: c6daffa7-9f49-3e9a-5438-d66fbeee9726@aross.me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
After recently learning how bitcoin network fees and shot up to £70 min! I asked for alts and was recommended to use dash.
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20171227.034339.c3c3053f.en.html
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Message: 8 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:13:10 -0500 From: Sam Huntress samhuntress@gmail.com To: Eco-Conscious Computing arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing Message-ID: CANYNf9sAHK1AVM60Zv-VqMXUyRZuPsgOef-EgwzcGzqN2vOrOA@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
you mean, starting e.g. from here: https://bitclubpool.com/index.php?p=stats and here: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/bitclubnetwork
Yes, exactly.
The blocks they are mining are being awarded to https://blockchain.info/address/155fzsEBHy9Ri2bMQ8uuuR3tv1YzcDywd4 And blockchain.info does record those blocks as being found by Bitclub. So Bitclub does seem to have significant new BTC coming in.
As long as you trust that whoever you sent money to does actually represent Bitclub, further verification does not seem necessary.
I do understand that $3500 isn't exactly backbreaking for this project, it just makes me anxious to see anyone start buying in so fully to things that seem 'too-good-to-be-true'
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton < lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:
crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Sam Huntress samhuntress@gmail.com wrote:
We all seem to be talking past each other and I fear we may have some confusion about what a ponzi scheme actually is.
In a ponzi scheme, money is taken from 'investors' under the false
pretense
(lie) that it will be used to fund operations with a positive return on investment when actually that money is just stashed and given back out to 'investors' as a fake 'return' on their 'investment'.
... down the tree until it collapses, yes.
apart from the US Federal Reserve Ponzi scheme that was cascade-created in 2007 by issuing UNREGULATED bonds a THOUSAND times larger than the entire U.S. Govt regulated market at the time and so consequently it is still in the process of collapsing, what's the largest ponzi scheme that's ever been recorded in human history?
in that historically-recorded ponzi scheme, what order of magnitude of money changed hands? (ignoring the multi multi trillion dollar 2007 US Fed Res ponzi scheme)
In this case, the investments they claim to be making are almost 100% traceable and provable. The Bitcoin ledger can be used to see which
wallets
all mined bitcoins have gone to and Bitclub can use standard
public/private
key signatures to verify that they own one or more of those wallets.
you mean, starting e.g. from here: https://bitclubpool.com/index.php?p=stats and here: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/bitclubnetwork
If Bitclub cannot provide this verification then they may not be technically competent enough to make good investments.
Given that they already have your money, the best thing to do is hope
that
whatever they are running (legitimate or not) holds up long enough for
you
to get back what you put in.
sam you underestimate the scope of what i seek to achieve here. i'm looking to leverage this so that the team of engineers can be paid for to design the RISCV-64 SoC, the eco-conscious smartphone can be paid for, and in about a year to 18 months time a foundry line of chips can be paid for - outright.
i'm certainl not "looking to get back $3500" that's for sure! and *i* am not *personally* looking to get back money beyond that which is sufficient to live on: i am looking to leverage this to fund some absolutely amazing...
... AND ECO-CONSCIOUS ....
... projects.
including REPLACING bitcoin.
l.
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On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Joseph Lira saitdude@hotmail.com wrote:
Luke just a little confused, are you saying if im from the first batch i wont get an eoma68 this June/July 2018?
eoma68 is a standard, you can see it on elinux.org :)
you mean a physical item, in this case an eoma68-a20 computer card, answer is: probably yes. now that the review's nearly done and *assuming* it works we go with it (otherwise we go with 2.7.4 which also works... just minus the HDMI interface), it should be february by the time the 2.7.5 samples are done, march by the time 1,000 sets of components are ordered, may-june by the time a batch of 1,000 PCBs come in, june-july-august by the time they're assembled, tested, and start getting shipped to the USA distribution hub (crowdsupply), july-august-september by the time they start going out to actual people.
l.
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