I don't think effort should be put into purging systemd.
On February 12, 2017 2:10:07 PM GMT+03:00, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl@lkcl.net wrote:
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:53 AM, Christopher Havel laserhawk64@gmail.com wrote:
Julie, while I appreciate your efforts at convincing our kind leader
here to
change his mind, you're not going to make any headway. And, for the
record,
one of the reasons that Luke has trouble explaining things is because
he has
Asperger's Syndrome, a form of Autism and a disorder primarily
affecting
communication and social skills. I have Asperger's as well, and so I
can
appreciate how it sometimes renders one speechless, or forces one to
use the
wrong words for things -- often at a sensitive time.
It's unbelievably frustrating.
... would you believe it, my conversations with dr stallman cause *me* to have to take deep breaths on a regular basis.
chris, i appreciate your insight (from personal experience) here. your phrasing is, in places, as bad as mine can be, but i know your heart's in the right place.
it is a recurring theme from interactions with people around me that they in effect ask "give me ONE good reason why i should listen to you", and i simply... can't. the reason is: my brain simply doesn't work that way.
in researching why that is, i came across something called "demster shafer theory". it's a generalisation of bayes theorem, and i was interested in it as a way to work out *why* i was good at reverse-engineering (from my work on samba) but also to find out if there was a way to *improve* my ability as a reverse-engineer and knowledge derivation expert.
demster-shafer theory basically says that you may statistically derive a result by taking two *independent* variables in a massively-complex field, work out the probability of them occurring together (independently) then you are permitted to *REPEAT* that exercise and to *SUM* the resultant totally independent results as a way to gain a statistically-valid result across the ENTIRE FIELD.
in this context, the question "give me ONE good reason" is a completely INVALID one.
hence, can you (all) understand that if you ask me "give me ONE good reason" i LITERALLY cannot do that. i could however give you about a hundred SMALLER reasons each with a low statistical probability of them occurring.
... but it would overwhelm you to do so, you would (as you have clearly done so) REJECT the entire APPROACH that i've taken because it's NOT SOMETHING YOU UNDERSTAND AS BEING VALID.
i come across this time and time again, in the physics forums i'm on, on free software mailing lists, at workplaces where i can tell there's something deeply wrong from a whole stack of clues but i CAN'T VOCALISE THEM ALL.
my brain *literally* works in a completely different way from most people's on the planet, in a massively-parallel statistical-inference fashion that hugely and rapidly short-cuts areas of avenue that would cause most people to get stuck and waste months to decades of their life investigating to no avail... but this type of approach is NOT what the human brain was designed to do, and it comes with a heavy penalty both for my health but also in terms of making it REALLY difficult to justify the conclusions (or "intuitions") that my brain flags up as being so brightly "red" that i can no more ignore them than i could if they were say actual threats on my life.
i would *really* appreciate your patience on this. knowing what i do about myself, i deliberately tackle areas that nobody else does. unfortunately, what's happened in the past is that people have stolen the results and the credit for the work that i've done. did you know for example that the openchange project's success is down to my work (not theirs) in reverse-engineering exchange 5.5 back around 2003? of course you don't... because after tracking my research continually they DIDN'T MENTION WHERE THEY GOT THE INFORMATION FROM.
that means that you BELIEVE i am not worth respecting, because my name is not up there in neon lights next to those of "linus torvalds" or "eric raymond" or "bruce perens" or any other person you've heard of and respect in software libre for their achievements.
i act in the background, tackling the things that these people *CAN'T* understand and, because of their position, couldn't deal with anyway because they now have too much responsibility in their chosen field of expertise and endeavour to consider abandoning the people who now depend on them.
put another way:
systemd has a huge - MASSIVE - series of independent statistical correlations associated with it, none of them INDIVIDUALLY being statistically significant or indicative of anything (because they're independent events) but when added up overall, using demster-shafer theory, give support for the hypothesis that there is something deeply, deeply wrong with systemd with a confidence level somewhere around 4 sigma. i simply cannot ignore that, but equally i cannot really explain it in ways that you would ACCEPT, either, because my name is not "linus torvalds" or "dr richard stallman".
anyway. the fact that the 3.4 kernel has to be used makes it entirely moot. which reminds me the last time this happened, was when i was working in portsmouth, something similar happened. i was ORDERED to deploy ubuntu, but could not explain or vocalise the dozens of reasons why that was a bad idea. finally one of the sysadmins got fed up of hearing the discussion, did some research and found that canonical had long since terminated support for 486 processors.
so please. understand. sometimes i *can't give you a concrete reason* because there are instead potentially *hundreds* of lower-probability ones, some of which i'm not even consciously aware of.
l.
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