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JZ4775
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 31 May '14

31 May '14

http://www.ingenic.cn/en/en/android.php?pid=96&fid=799 oo! oo! ingenic have a 1ghz dual-core MIPS that has X-Burst at 1ghz, which could be FSF-Endorseable! they left out all the proprietary Vivante USA-based 3D hard macros (at last). it has GbE, USB-OTG, USB1.1 Host and is basically minimalistically-compliant with EOMA68 without needing extra components. i like it.

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Gigabit NIC Speeds
by Michael Howard 29 May '14

29 May '14

Hi All, Not specifically Netbook, just a general question for opinions; What is the bottleneck on arm devices when it comes to network speed? I have a number of devices and they are all woefully slow. In order of poorness :) a few Dreamplugs (1/10th the speed of desktop) , a Cubietruck (1/5th the speed of desktop), a mirabox (haven't actuially timed it) et al. Obviously there are many factors that can afect timings (depending on the test) but even using 3rd party Gigabit USB Nics the results do not improve. I've used netcat and scp (ouch) to name two methods, what would be a good leveller to eliminate outside factors? Cheers, --

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EOMA Compliancy
by mike.valk＠gmail.com 28 May '14

28 May '14

L.S. Recent events may have forced the need for more clarity. Perhaps sooner that really needed. So far we've mostly don the technical issues. I'm going to tap into the collective brain here. In order to protect the EOMA standard. To what terms should a manufacturer/vendor comply to become EOMA compliant? Things like: - Technical: Adhere tot the physical dimensions, tolerance, heat. - Safety - What would be a reasonable price/pricing structure - Environmental footprint - etc. And how to deal with leeches and blacklists etc. I know the technical side is already coming along but anything you like to to mentioned write it down. Luke join if you like, but we know you are busy, collecting funds to pay the bill etc. And the technical side of things still need some tinkering, USB3, etc. Kr, Mike

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Fwd: Indie Tech Summit — First Speakers Announced
by Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross 26 May '14

26 May '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 a very good opportunity for eoma-* - -------- Original Message -------- Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 14:52:21 +0000 Subject: Indie Tech Summit — First Speakers Announced Hey folks, We’ve just announced the initial round of speakers for the inaugural Indie Tech Summit http://newsletter.indiephone.eu/l/DknOa1KoVktjCXITaq9yuQ/uFYj892i6XB92HyQwv…, to take place in Brighton, UK, on the 4th and 5th of July, 2014. For the full list of speakers, visit the Indie Tech Summit web site http://newsletter.indiephone.eu/l/DknOa1KoVktjCXITaq9yuQ/uFYj892i6XB92HyQwv…, where you can also find details of how to register to attend. Further details, including additional speakers, will be announced in the coming days. We hope that you're as excited as we are for the opportunity to meet, learn and collaborate with a diverse group of like-minded people. Join us at the birth of a new community tasked with building beautiful products for everyday people to empower them to protect their privacy, civil liberties, and human rights. Here's to seeing you there, Jo Porter Director of Operations, Indie Phone. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTg17cAAoJEOk7fWIzE1KNQIEH/As/u6qbrNZmPu1rYJFedyR4 +srzEzvsi9hshSwLVO9i4eQQDIb8y723BR+bhnVpGYz87qb97hvacHLfAAhugLUC buL1VvhCnsdRvFUCW2EEQiwLGkuoK9mRVX+q7eSfK3bIAVwrfWVxMiJrytjikha3 vI1xK9NtuBLod8p2PIvuXlauemffAcAUrVn7PHb29fV9GYxWOA9ZuE7L2Hjb03uo sp1IGeP+9n0dqPblksn38vhm+sekYu6dNqbX4scx6LIL5z3HOJp8bbBSTc1dQNHz ohLijdwE87Fhbdj7+Mx1aEMDe6rQv6fyTR2BIEstMg8+tSfHlW8kprIpHqpfqKo= =eEMm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA, Improv etc
by Paul NeoStormer 26 May '14

26 May '14

I absolutely agree with this, I have been following this product for years and I believe a crowdsourcing campaign is vital to getting this product off the ground. I would imagine pushing just the EOMA-68 card and include HDMI and powered USB-OTG cables; to start with. The have stretch goals that add a bare minimum MEB and slowly add ports to the MEB with each tier. I would recommend leaving a tablet for a separate product because then it could be marketed as working with the EOMA-68 cards that are available. Hope I'm not out of line, just a suggestion. Nico Rikken <nico(a)nicorikken.eu> wrote: >Hi, > >This ongoing discussion, despite the wealth of personal arguments, has >clarified a lot of details for me as an enthusiast and potential >customer. > >Ever since I heard about the Spark tablet I truly believed this would >dramatically change the playing field of FOSS and FOS-hardware. Hearing >about the underlying EOMA-board adheres to this vision, where this would >be the new standard in FOS-land and the overall maker-community. > >As far as I understand it, over time some other SoC's have already been >re-engineered. In addition the recent RaspberryPi-board and the >crowd-sourced Novena board have closed in on the proposition of the >EOMA-board. However the EOMA-board still seems to hold a place of its >own for compactness and power. > >In my job I've got to get a glimpse of the embedded-hardware development >business and knowing now about development costs involved, it is truly >heartbreaking to see this project in this state. I believe the potential >is still there, the hard work has been done, it just takes a great >launch to bootstrap production, community adoption and even further >development. > >As for the launch Improv didn't cut it for me as a potential customer. >The lack of detailed communication and the strong focus on the >make-play-live proposition (which to me seems limited and seems to go >against the hacker market). And above all, I just wanted to have a >FOS-tablet to play with, not an offering similar to my RaspberryPi >(which I even hardly use). > >Say the EOMA-board would run a crowdfunding effort to start commercial >development, what would be a good proposition? To me it seems to be a >tablet combination, to also aid in the FOSS development (like >make-play-live). > >Personally I could see the board earn a place on it's own, by being a >great replacement for the RaspberryPi, specically for other >RaspberryPi-projects for which the RaspberryPi is just a way of >achieving a service, like: Generic fileserver (NAS), Owncloud-instance, >ArkOS install (multiple local services), XBMC-player or Android-player >(say for games, probably requiring Replicant Android). >Others might even be: 3D-printer-driver, VJ-visual generator (like the >M-Labs m1), Freedombox (although currently in development and requiring >an additional network interface), home-automation or parallel processing >using multiple boards. >One of the main benefits of the EOMA-board is the fact that it can >easily be handled by regular users, without fearing ESD-problems. The >Improv-board, despite offering decent breakouts, doesn't adhere to this >user-level, still requiring an additional case. > >Considering that like me others saw a place for this development but >didn't fully support for various reasons, it might be worth another try >to find the required support for this to take off. Say by preparing and >starting a crowdfunding campaign offering the EOMA-boards, various >breakouts (Improv-type breakout with option of a plastic case, >NAS-enclosure with HDD-space, tablet (with room for batteries)) linked >to various donation levels, paid pre-installation as a way of turning >time into money and finally products like mugs and t-shirts. > >Even though I'm not fully emerged into the FOSS-community, I believe the >Novena project has set an example by creating social presence even >before launching the crowdfunding campaing by initially demonstrating >skill (overall blog and SD-card analysis) and next showing off the >product (e.g. Chaos Communication Congress). This makes me believe that >with proper marketing and having a great offer, the community will at >least consider supporting this 'project' and better yet fully fund the >project. >Seeing the EOMA-board as the underlying basis for further efforts, I >believe Luke should be (involved in) initiating such an effort, despite >all politics involved in the recent debates. > >(hope I didn't fuel a rant with this e-mail). > >Kind regards, >Nico Rikken, NL > > >_______________________________________________ >arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk >http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook >Send large attachments to arm-netbook(a)files.phcomp.co.uk

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Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA, Improv etc
by Nico Rikken 25 May '14

25 May '14

Hi, This ongoing discussion, despite the wealth of personal arguments, has clarified a lot of details for me as an enthusiast and potential customer. Ever since I heard about the Spark tablet I truly believed this would dramatically change the playing field of FOSS and FOS-hardware. Hearing about the underlying EOMA-board adheres to this vision, where this would be the new standard in FOS-land and the overall maker-community. As far as I understand it, over time some other SoC's have already been re-engineered. In addition the recent RaspberryPi-board and the crowd-sourced Novena board have closed in on the proposition of the EOMA-board. However the EOMA-board still seems to hold a place of its own for compactness and power. In my job I've got to get a glimpse of the embedded-hardware development business and knowing now about development costs involved, it is truly heartbreaking to see this project in this state. I believe the potential is still there, the hard work has been done, it just takes a great launch to bootstrap production, community adoption and even further development. As for the launch Improv didn't cut it for me as a potential customer. The lack of detailed communication and the strong focus on the make-play-live proposition (which to me seems limited and seems to go against the hacker market). And above all, I just wanted to have a FOS-tablet to play with, not an offering similar to my RaspberryPi (which I even hardly use). Say the EOMA-board would run a crowdfunding effort to start commercial development, what would be a good proposition? To me it seems to be a tablet combination, to also aid in the FOSS development (like make-play-live). Personally I could see the board earn a place on it's own, by being a great replacement for the RaspberryPi, specically for other RaspberryPi-projects for which the RaspberryPi is just a way of achieving a service, like: Generic fileserver (NAS), Owncloud-instance, ArkOS install (multiple local services), XBMC-player or Android-player (say for games, probably requiring Replicant Android). Others might even be: 3D-printer-driver, VJ-visual generator (like the M-Labs m1), Freedombox (although currently in development and requiring an additional network interface), home-automation or parallel processing using multiple boards. One of the main benefits of the EOMA-board is the fact that it can easily be handled by regular users, without fearing ESD-problems. The Improv-board, despite offering decent breakouts, doesn't adhere to this user-level, still requiring an additional case. Considering that like me others saw a place for this development but didn't fully support for various reasons, it might be worth another try to find the required support for this to take off. Say by preparing and starting a crowdfunding campaign offering the EOMA-boards, various breakouts (Improv-type breakout with option of a plastic case, NAS-enclosure with HDD-space, tablet (with room for batteries)) linked to various donation levels, paid pre-installation as a way of turning time into money and finally products like mugs and t-shirts. Even though I'm not fully emerged into the FOSS-community, I believe the Novena project has set an example by creating social presence even before launching the crowdfunding campaing by initially demonstrating skill (overall blog and SD-card analysis) and next showing off the product (e.g. Chaos Communication Congress). This makes me believe that with proper marketing and having a great offer, the community will at least consider supporting this 'project' and better yet fully fund the project. Seeing the EOMA-board as the underlying basis for further efforts, I believe Luke should be (involved in) initiating such an effort, despite all politics involved in the recent debates. (hope I didn't fuel a rant with this e-mail). Kind regards, Nico Rikken, NL

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Fwd: Auto-discard notification
by lkcl . 25 May '14

25 May '14

nico please remember to use the email address that you are subscribed from, thank you for your thoughtful words. l. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <arm-netbook-bounces(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> Date: Sun, May 25, 2014 at 11:17 PM Subject: Auto-discard notification To: arm-netbook-owner(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk The attached message has been automatically discarded. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nico Rikken <nico.rikken(a)gmail.com> To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> Cc: Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 00:14:27 +0200 Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA, Improv etc Hi, This ongoing discussion, despite the wealth of personal arguments, has clarified a lot of details for me as an enthusiast and potential customer. Ever since I heard about the Spark tablet I truly believed this would dramatically change the playing field of FOSS and FOS-hardware. Hearing about the underlying EOMA-board adheres to this vision, where this would be the new standard in FOS-land and the overall maker-community. As far as I understand it, over time some other SoC's have already been re-engineered. In addition the recent RaspberryPi-board and the crowd-sourced Novena board have closed in on the proposition of the EOMA-board. However the EOMA-board still seems to hold a place of its own for compactness and power. In my job I've got to get a glimpse of the embedded-hardware development business and knowing now about development costs involved, it is truly heartbreaking to see this project in this state. I believe the potential is still there, the hard work has been done, it just takes a great launch to bootstrap production, community adoption and even further development. As for the launch Improv didn't cut it for me as a potential customer. The lack of detailed communication and the strong focus on the make-play-live proposition (which to me seems limited and seems to go against the hacker market). And above all, I just wanted to have a FOS-tablet to play with, not an offering similar to my RaspberryPi (which I even hardly use). Say the EOMA-board would run a crowdfunding effort to start commercial development, what would be a good proposition? To me it seems to be a tablet combination, to also aid in the FOSS development (like make-play-live). Personally I could see the board earn a place on it's own, by being a great replacement for the RaspberryPi, specically for other RaspberryPi-projects for which the RaspberryPi is just a way of achieving a service, like: Generic fileserver (NAS), Owncloud-instance, ArkOS install (multiple local services), XBMC-player or Android-player (say for games, probably requiring Replicant Android). Others might even be: 3D-printer-driver, VJ-visual generator (like the M-Labs m1), Freedombox (although currently in development and requiring an additional network interface), home-automation or parallel processing using multiple boards. One of the main benefits of the EOMA-board is the fact that it can easily be handled by regular users, without fearing ESD-problems. The Improv-board, despite offering decent breakouts, doesn't adhere to this user-level, still requiring an additional case. Considering that like me others saw a place for this development but didn't fully support for various reasons, it might be worth another try to find the required support for this to take off. Say by preparing and starting a crowdfunding campaign offering the EOMA-boards, various breakouts (Improv-type breakout with option of a plastic case, NAS-enclosure with HDD-space, tablet (with room for batteries)) linked to various donation levels, paid pre-installation as a way of turning time into money and finally products like mugs and t-shirts. Even though I'm not fully emerged into the FOSS-community, I believe the Novena project has set an example by creating social presence even before launching the crowdfunding campaing by initially demonstrating skill (overall blog and SD-card analysis) and next showing off the product (e.g. Chaos Communication Congress). This makes me believe that with proper marketing and having a great offer, the community will at least consider supporting this 'project' and better yet fully fund the project. Seeing the EOMA-board as the underlying basis for further efforts, I believe Luke should be (involved in) initiating such an effort, despite all politics involved in the recent debates. (hope I didn't fuel a rant with this e-mail). Kind regards, Nico Rikken, NL

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RGB-to-MIPI
by Miguel Garcia 25 May '14

25 May '14

Hello everyone. Because EOMA-68 use RGB connection and most HD screens will use MIPI, I've been looking for a RGB-to-MIPI IC. Finally I found a RGB-to-MIPI IC, the part is SSD2828. At 1K pcs, the SSD2828 price is €4.20. The datasheet is not public, but if someone wants the datasheet, leave a message and I will send it by email. Do you know any better alternative? Thanks.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Auto-discard notification
by lkcl . 21 May '14

21 May '14

manuel you need to send from the email address that you're subscribed from. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:39 PM, <arm-netbook-bounces(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk> wrote: > The attached message has been automatically discarded. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo" <manuel.montezelo(a)gmail.com> > To: arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > Cc: > Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 18:39:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Improv And Operation:Marketing for EMOA-* > 2014-05-20 20:56 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: >> >> 2014-05-20 20:34 Boris Barbour: >>> >>> >>> >>> It's a crying shame how difficult it is to find arm laptops (also tablets and >>> of course phones) to run debian* without jumping through hoops. The >>> chromebooks show that it is entirely possible, but there are always driver >>> problems, you can't install natively, etc. I really like the eoma idea. >>> [...] >>> *distribution of your choice >>> >>> Anyway, I'd be a customer of the first products. > > > Concur on the above. > > And not to diminish other distros' efforts, but I think that there are good > chances that the support in Debian is going to be among the best -- if nothing > else, because of the long tradition with ARM and other hardware ports. yes. and once mainline linux support is in debian for a CPU it makes life a lot easier. also, someone is working on porting debian-installer to sunxi, which is a huge relief. > >> ... please put your name down on the list at the preorders page, so >> that when it happens - once i have enough money to get the prototypes >> done without relying on other people - it's possible to let you know. > > > Added mine. It didn't seem to be visible in "orders" page initially, but now > shows in the main page as well. > > http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/orders/mafm/ yep that'll be your browser cache playing up. the orders page is auto-generated as static HTML by ikiwiki. > > Question: Is it going to be phisically like the Improv in the images from the > slideshow (other than logos etc, obviously), or a bit different in some aspect? i'll do a MEBv1, upgraded. using china-sourced components, not digikey / mouser. prices are waay too high. i will likely cut/paste one of the power circuits using a USB protection power IC so that it will be possible to flip between USB power and 5V power without spiking anything. but, remember, if i am to do an upgraded MEB, it will need testing, it will need maybe one or two revisions, and it's going to cost about $250 each revision. l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Support for sunxi-based ARM systems in d-i
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 28 Apr '14

28 Apr '14

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Karsten Merker <merker(a)debian.org> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 07:35:35AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: >> On Sat, 2014-04-26 at 23:25 +0200, Karsten Merker wrote: > >> No uImage is required for sunxi, no uImage is required for sunxi but a uImage is required for *debian installer*. that is after all the whole point of the exercise. ok, sure you can put debian-installer onto an SD card directly but then you will not be able to install the OS onto the SD card because debian installer will be using it. karsten it would seem that you are being mis-advised by people not familiar with debian installer, who think that booting off of pre-prepared images is quotes normal quotes. although it would in some limited cases be useful to boot debian installer without a uImage, it would not be the most helpful thing to the most people. may i respectfully suggest that you speak to henrik nordstrom (hno) - you can find him on #linux-sunxi - and get a uImage up and running that may be loaded over the USB-FEL. henrik and others such as myself have got USB-FEL up and running for a number of A10 and A20 devices: the advantage of boot-installing a device from USB-FEL is that it is simple to do: just plug in to a Micro-USB, load the 1st stage bootloader directly into RAM, load the kernel directly into RAM, load the debian installer uImage directly into RAM, then hit the execute command. instantly you have all the hardware available on which to install a *clean* OS. l.

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