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Turris MOX - made from modules with a fast universal connection between them (PCI-E 1x, USB 2.0, 2.5Gbit ethernet)
by dumblob 31 Mar '18

31 Mar '18

Hi, yesterday I stumbled upon Turris MOX, a modular computer. It seems to be an interesting endeavor which might be easily extended with a graphic card module or any card module you could think of. The connection between modules is a standard PCIe connector (but no the PCIe pinout!) with pins of PCIe 1x, USB 2.0, and 2.5 Gbit ethernet. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turris-mox-modular-open-source-router-wi… Enjoy! -- Jan P.S. Disclaimer: I once met some of the authors in person.

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Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics
by Jean Flamelle 23 Mar '18

23 Mar '18

This is difficult to express so please bear patience. Able manipulators of money do exploit the interest in cryptocurrency to affect the prices thereof, purchase and sell cryptocurrency increasing their stockpile of national and international currencies while sustaining their supply of cryptocurrency. The practice of buying low and selling high, is generally accepted, but I refute it. Not only does no way of proving if they manipulated the price practical, but buying low and selling high can only be possible if someone somewhere tries to change the price of whatever their trade includes. This means the price of bitcoin should be decided by netizens across internet forums and some powerful actor is ensuring that can't happen. As a store of economic influence, I fully agree and support the decision to hold donated bitcoin. However to convert it by means of trade into any other currency, while what is happening is happening, I can't stomach this morally. Individuals who are getting tricked into purchasing cryptocurrency at exactly the wrong moments are losing all the have. This is not simply gambling with high-stakes, there is a concerted effort to deceive people into purchasing bitcoin and other currencies. If anyone sells cryptocurrency now, they very likely risk funding these scams. Please do not sell donated bitcoin or any other donated cryptocurrency for the foresee-able future. This is not a permanent problem, but one we can't know when will be resolved. Thank you. -J. L.

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Well, this is interesting...
by Christopher Havel 14 Mar '18

14 Mar '18

Neither ARM nor netbook, strictly speaking, but we've veered off topic before, so gee why not... https://hackaday.com/2018/03/12/new-guts-make-old-thinkpads-new/ Looks vaguely relevant. Chris

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Fwd: Earth-friendly EOMA68 Computing Devices Update: FOSDEM Recap, RISC-V Update, and Certification Marks
by mike.valk＠gmail.com 13 Mar '18

13 Mar '18

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Crowd Supply <no-reply(a)crowdsupply.com> Date: 2018-03-12 20:21 GMT+01:00 Subject: Earth-friendly EOMA68 Computing Devices Update: FOSDEM Recap, RISC-V Update, and Certification Marks To: mike.valk(a)gmail.com [image: Crowd Supply] An update from the Earth-friendly EOMA68 Computing Devices <https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30556267/www.crowdsupply.com?p=eyJzIjoi…> team. FOSDEM Recap, RISC-V Update, and Certification Marks Thank you to absolutely everyone who came to FOSDEM. RISC-V gets interesting. A reminder that EOMA68 is a Certification Mark. EOMA68-A20 card supply chain progress. Read the Full Update <https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30556267/www.crowdsupply.com?p=eyJzIjoi…> Want to unsubscribe from these emails? Manage your email preferences here. <https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30556267/www.crowdsupply.com?p=eyJzIjoi…> Shipping <https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30556267/www.crowdsupply.com?p=eyJzIjoi…> Returns <https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30556267/www.crowdsupply.com?p=eyJzIjoi…> Terms <https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30556267/www.crowdsupply.com?p=eyJzIjoi…> Privacy Policy <https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30556267/www.crowdsupply.com?p=eyJzIjoi…> Contact <https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30556267/www.crowdsupply.com?p=eyJzIjoi…> Crowd Supply <https://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30556267/www.crowdsupply.com?p=eyJzIjoi…> 340 SE 6th Ave <https://maps.google.com/?q=340+SE+6th+Ave+%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++%…> Portland, OR 97214 800-554-2014

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Testing: GPIO
by Richard Wilbur 04 Mar '18

04 Mar '18

After looking at the schematics for the DS113 v2.7 2017-02-17 and the microdesktop v1.7 I feel the need to ask whether there are more up-to-date schematics available? Results of my sleuthing thus far attached.

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OSHW git/pull?
by mike.valk＠gmail.com 27 Feb '18

27 Feb '18

Interesting lecture: https://hackaday.com/2018/02/27/can-open-source-hardware-be-like-open-sourc…

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Patent-Left
by Jean Flamelle 26 Feb '18

26 Feb '18

Disclaimer: this is a brainstorm of ideas on what is practical. I am a free culture advocate. I understand that without invention my own ideals have practical limitations. I don't believe that invention is impractical, however accomplishment without first inventing is. If any of what is said causes you to question OUR ideals, please meditate on and rationalize what was said: I HOPE YOU DON'T CHANGE WHAT YOU BELIEVE. Please avoid getting triggered, please don't start a flame, and please understand not every issue needs resolution immediately. Most ideas in this thread will need to be outrageous to be helpful. If everyone disregarded those ideas simply for being outrageous, they will never develop into less outrageous ideas. /end-disclaimer I was thinking about some of what Luke has said about certification law, and the only way I can rationalize it is to doubt this has been tested in court absent of patents-held. None of these standards organizations have problems owning patents, only free culture advocates do. Maybe some slight cognitive dissonance is involved (sorry to say so bluntly Luke), but, if these types of precedents are to be held up absent patents-held, that would mean an expansion of standard copyright I don't think many courts would be comfortable with. At the end of the day, if people can just copy the standard disregarding anyone present as a certification entity, there is no economic support to be had for anyone involved. It wouldn't agree with my morals if someone had to ask Luke's permission to make an EOMA card, but I know otherwise isn't practical yet. Enter Patent-Left. The hack-solution is to make the standard itself an "open patent license" that if anyone can follow, then they are assumed to possess the license with burden of proof falling on anyone wishing to prove they aren't following it. This is a hack, because, much like invariant sections in the GDFL, an author can arbitrarily refuse changes to any certain part(s) they choose. How do we capture the moral behind why patents exist, while still honoring free culture? *stop, meditate, write what you think, then keep reading* vvv *skip this if you careless about learning economics* vvv Perhaps, we can make rules about "contractual equity" so, if someone wants to sell what they make, they pick a currency "declare 'owning' an instance of the license" which only becomes valid after selling "equity" towards a right-to-cancel-the-license to a minimum number of I.D.-ed citizens of a country minting that currency at a minimum price (in technical terms, a minimum market cap per a minimum capita). Oh hell that's messy. Hard to believe that's less messy than the first hack. Let me list the problems with my own proposal. Economically: What/Who determines a fair market cap and a fair minimum capita for a given patentleft license? How do we establish sybil protection across cryptocurrency markets (what "should be" a "citizen" to them?)? Politically: How can a market cap fairly account for currency conversions? How can a person from a country minting a currency with a smaller market exert the same influence over a project as there larger market counterparts? How do people from countries without a national currency even participate, much less equally? How do we prevent citizens from countries with multi-currency systems from getting unfairly punishing or rewarding treatment (if only one currency is recognized, that's punishing, but, if all are recognized, that's rewarding, since there are drawbacks to multi-currency systems [including tangibly devaluing* all currencies involved compared to adopting any one as a single-currency] and those who can choose between currencies exert an influence over what currencies a project uses that others can't)? Is there any way legally possible anywhere to prevent people with multiple citizenships from being able to be counted as that many multiple people? Morally: We would be treating any one individual as not "good enough" to copy/modify a patent unless they have "this" many supporters who are at least "this" economically involved, which is unfair by my morals and, if avoidable, would likely render every other question easily answerable. While associating people with their nation's currencies prevents manipulating the value of currencies they have no stake in, using official documentation associates people with a nation that has chosen them rather than a nation they have chosen, which is unfair by my morals and, if avoidable, would likely render every political question here easily answerable (except that, if someone solves this "hard problem" only in the context of currencies rather than in general, they inherently give money as a concept extra utility, which bothers my personal ethic). If equity is transferable, that would allow individuals who haven't contributed to a project in no way to acquire leverage to make decisions about that project's direction, but, if equity isn't transferable, interest in judging the project from eventually dying (metaphorically and literally) and, while if trade-able then the right-to-cancel-the-license could be as fungible as whatever is traded despite conflicting interests, if not trade-able then there may be little way to gratify or enable those who strive to ensure interest in judging a project doesn't die (metaphorically and literally) (except that, even if a messy hack protects a project with trade-able equity towards right-to-cancel-the-license from conflicting interests, using money to enable without gratifying a receiver is a classic "hard problem" in economics which is the root cause and would bother my personal ethic to see ignored). * Tangible Value: a Bayesian sum* of the items on a Bayesian list** of all that a currency could buy which one could sue discrimination if denied sale, counting every item on that list as a fraction of an item divided by the number of currencies it's legally guaranteed a right-of-sale. * Bayesian sums treat all that is different as different regardless of how different. ** Bayesian lists treat any number of identical items as that many different items. ^^^ *end skip* ^^^ IMO, a clean solution: greatly motivates forming large/complex cooperatives while not requiring the participation of more than one individual; guarantees that trust in a project comes from authority on that project and authority on a project comes from research of that project; all while ensuring attention to a project is proportional to trust in that project. Please have some helpful input/feedback. Thank you in advance. If in doubt, post away anyway: I won't fault you!

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http://libre-riscv.org new domain
by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton 26 Feb '18

26 Feb '18

i've just set up a new domain in the past 36 hours, http://libre-riscv.org the first processor on it is the shakti m_class one. there's also a bugtracker http://bugs.libre-riscv.org which is in the process of being populated. i'll also set up mailman (if i can extract it from the clutches of apache2... i'm using nginx now on libre-riscv.org). l.

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Error trying to edit rhombus-tech wiki
by Richard Wilbur 20 Feb '18

20 Feb '18

Trying to edit wiki page to add my name to list interested in pre-production board, et cetera. Is that page privileged? Sincerely, Richard

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Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer
by ronwirring＠Safe-mail.net 17 Feb '18

17 Feb '18

Regarding moderator approval. I ask you to display this email on the emailing list. Thereby enabling transparency and ensuring that subscribers get to know my arguments. Not doing so I will hold against you. > you seem to believe that you have the right to do whatever you want: you don't. > every time i have asked you to respect my authority you have ducked > or ignored the question. I think you are as happened before exaggerating, and misrepresenting what previous disputes we have had. About what follows I have not searched for documentation in previous posts and emails. Because I am not going to do the effort. First one. On another forum I made some critical posts about the pc card crowdfunding. I did so because it can be beneficial for the owner of a project to get more angles on his work and everyone should be scrutinized. My main critique was including the pc card laptop housing in a crowdfunding. My point of view was that for a one person enterprise that would be to big a task. It would require a frictionless course. It turned out I was right. No usable parts have been manufactured so far? Instead I would have concentrated on getting more people to buy the pc card. If lkcl wanted to shut me up or not, I do not know. He could not. It was not his forum. Lkcl accused me of sabotaging the crowdfunding. Said I could make the crowdfunding fail. An undocumented claim and heavily questionable, which I told him. Without being obligated to, I told lkcl I would stop further postings, should he want me to. I had made my points known. Second one. When posting emails on the arm netbook emailing list, I wanted to keep all previous posts unedited in my next post. Lkcl told me, that is not how it is done. And he explained how I should edit posts and importantly why I should edit. One argument was, he had to read a high number of emails and edited posts were time saving for him. I have to accept that my english writing skills are limited. My answer to him may have been unclear. The content of my answering post was, every email list member should decide for himself how to edit a post. But I accepted his arguments about editing posts and told him I would concur. Then lkcl misread my post. Believing I would not concur. Therefore lkcl told me, I had to make a specific declaration about complying to the rules about posting. Having done nothing wrong and perceiving lkcl's request as unnecessarily cornering, I wrote in a post, that he had misread my post and he could take any action he should want to. Then I got on the moderation approval list. To my knowledge from that point none of my postings have not complied to rules about posting. At some point, not on me request, I got off the moderator list. Third one. In a post I mentioned lkcl in third person. I was not aware it would be a rude action. Because I am addressing a bunch of people. When lkcl asked me to not do so, I explained why I had phrased the sentence like I did. To me the matter was insignificant. And I saw no reason to alter my phrasing. It resulted in lkcl escalating the matter to become relevant for the moderator approval list. Looking back on lkcl's outbursting tendencies I did not pay any attention to it. Even more because lkcl dances with profanities. Which I do not. All this in order to show that I do not do whatever I want. Some times I do not listen. I mentioned my free speech in a post. It resulted in several rubbish comments. I was not referring to any legal system. I wanted to state my point of view on free speech in a forum or on an emailing list. Lkcl, since you are in favor of straightening things out and not dodge, answer these questions about your emailing list: Should your emailing list aspire to grand the highest level of free speech? Do you adhere to the principle of equal matters must be dealt with equally? Do you adhere to the principle of proportionality? Because you own this emailing list, you can do whatever you want. I am not questioning that. The question is should you do whatever you want? How you manage your email list tells a tale about you. If your answer to my 3 questions are no, then I have misread you as a person and you do not have to unsubscribe me. I do it myself. When I wrote 'Has lkcl' you managed to infringe on all 3 principles. There are no strong reasons, other than your vanity, to prohibit such phrasing. I cannot write third person. You write profanities, masked or not. If using third person is an infraction, it is a minor. Calling in the moderator approval list is an overreaction. Part 2. Lkcl has thrown into the air that I may be infringing on one or more laws and maybe a license or certification. I have no overview on this matter. > do you, ron wirring, accept that i am the SOLE EXCLUSIVE Copyright > Holder of the EOMA68 Standard? > please answer simply yes or no. I am not going to answer yes or no until I know what I am answering yes or no to. First I want to say, I have never read the standards. I have no idea about the purchase agreement. Which laws apply. Which certification. Which licenses. The reason is the pc card is to me no more important than buying a mixer. If I get a pc card, fine. If not, it was a nice initiative. Lkcl will probably blame me for this approach. Does not matter. I am not going to put an effort into getting knowledgeable on these matters for an item which may not get shipped and due to what it costs. In wanting to make the asus eeepc accept pc cards I can have done a lot of infringements not knowing it. Lkcl suddenly shouting about trademarks and copyright came as a surprise to me. When this is sorted out, what stands is I have no intention infringing on anything. This is my look on it. I have no use for the pc card. Maybe it can run a freedombox. Then I thought I would like to have an asus eeepc which accepts pc cards. Lkcl was firmly against it. Costs could spiral. I appreciated the warning. The computer could catch fire. An important warning. But I planned to power it by power supply and a power bank via usb and not at the same time. I soon found out the task was to difficult for me. I stopped further steps. I do not remember any posts about trademarks, copyright or certification. I thought getting a pc card was like getting a raspberry pi. You can use it like you want. Then one person on this email list said, I think we can make it. And I restarted the matter. Again lkcl stated his objections. I noticed lkcl would participate in making the computer secure. On that I thanked him, because he already has enough to do. Now it is about infringements. Am I not allowed to make a pc card housing? Is this what it is about? Then why would you participate? You demanded to get to approve the battery hardware setup. On which I agreed. So did picugins, what more are you asking for? Can you display the law text in question I am infringing on? > also if you do not answer "yes" i will NOT grant you permission, AS > IS MY RIGHT UNDER COPYRIGHT LAW, to utilise the word "EOMA68" in ANY > way, shape or form. I do not have any intention on utilizing the word eoma68. What exactly are you referring to? That I will put an eoma68 sticker on the computer? That I may not publish a picture of the computer and a text saying, this is a computer which accepts eoma68 pc cards? Is that it? If so no problem. I will not. Explain what you are asking for? You should have anticipated someone would want to do their own pc card housing. On your website you should make a page displaying what you can and cannot do in regards to a pc card housing. It should show what law texts are into play. Show certifications. > within 72 hours We do not know if the pc card gets shipped. We do not know if the asus eeepc housing will be made. Why not make it 24 hours? > Don't make enemies where you don't have to, Luke. I'm just sayin'. Lkcl is not my enemy. He does not snide. You do not doubt lkcl goes a long way to achieve his goal. You know he will not skip his principles. On communicating however. > forced to simply unsubscribe you from this list Why unsubscribe? Can't you disable my option to post? It would be a less extensive action. The emails are public in the archive anyway. > do you wish me to terminate this project Who here does not understand your frustration? What does it have to do with what I am doing? Next time you are accusing me from nowhere and misrepresenting what I have done previously I will not answer this lengthy. I will know you are doing it on purpose. > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook(a)files.phcomp.co.uk

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