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Soylentnews article on Intel's Compute Card platform
by Benson Mitchell 16 Jan '17

16 Jan '17

Go get 'em! https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=17/01/13/1822251 Benson

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Question about resolution on the micro-desktop
by Julie Marchant 16 Jan '17

16 Jan '17

Hey, I'm wondering something. So, one of the features of the micro-desktop is a VGA port. I assume that it's probably connected to the RGB/TTL, right? And the page on the EOMA68 standard states: > The maximum RGB/TTL resolution permitted is 1366 x 768. So then, does that mean that the VGA port on the micro-desktop is limited to resolutions no larger than this? -- Julie Marchant https://onpon4.github.io Protect your emails with GnuPG: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org

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The dream of Ara
by David Boddie 13 Jan '17

13 Jan '17

A bit off-topic, perhaps, but this article illustrates the difficulties that large corporations have with long term visions, especially in cases where sustainability has to compete with profitability: http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/10/inside-project-ara-googles-revolutionary- modular-phone/ Found via OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/29600/The_dream_of_Ara I think the drive to focus on profits and what "consumers" supposedly want in corporate environments tends to undermine projects like these, even when the work is being done in part of an organisation that is supposed to be shielded from commercial concerns. Because conventional wisdom suggests that the public won't buy modular phones, no modular phones are made, even if there might be a demand for them if they were made. Indeed, just the availability of modular phones might drive demand for them. This suggests a lack of imagination on the industry's part which I think is shown by the example of a phone module given in the article: a tiny "aquarium". Very interesting, but not really something that would sell the practical benefits of modularity. Of course, you need examples of what the system can do, but it's often the case that the most interesting ideas come from third parties. Just getting the devices out there with open specs and documentation would be enough to find the interesting use cases. Anyway, this is only sort of relevant here, but I hope it was thought provoking. ;-) David

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Another laptop project: PINEBOOK
by David Boddie 13 Jan '17

13 Jan '17

Since I'm posting links to random things, here's another upcoming laptop product: https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707 It's clearly not comparable to the EOMA68 laptop because it lacks the modularity, and is obviously not as flexible as a result, and it's fairly limited in terms of the interfaces and expansion options it offers. However, because it's so cheap, it might be a bit of a worrying development for vendors who are selling laptops based on boards like the Raspberry Pi, because some of the sales of those go to people who just want a cheap laptop rather than people who want to use them in educational settings. It shows how low prices can get, and that is perhaps more interesting for EOMA68 because it suggests a price point that a mass-market laptop could aim for. David

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Price Bump: Was that for Wholesale?
by John Luke Gibson 09 Jan '17

09 Jan '17

Noticed the cards themselves jumped from 40 to 65, and I was wondering if that was due to unforeseen costs per card or to attract wholesalers and retailers with special discounts? I don't really have an opinion either way with wholesale, in terms of economic responsibility/efficiency it has it's drawbacks and advantages.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Intel at CES
by Julie Marchant 09 Jan '17

09 Jan '17

That could be a problem. If it's successful, people will associate the concept with Intel and assume that eoma is a cheap ripoff. Also, with Intel controlling it, you can bet x86 will dominate it. Our response should be to publicly urge Intel to use an eoma standard, to ensure architecture agnosticism and that there isn't a conflict of interest. -- Julie Marchant https://onpon4.github.io On Jan 5, 2017 12:38 PM, Alain Williams <addw(a)phcomp.co.uk> wrote: > > I wonder where they got the idea from: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38515472 > > http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/compute-card/intel-compute-card.ht… > > -- > Alain Williams > Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. > +44 (0) 787 668 0256 http://www.phcomp.co.uk/ > Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: http://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php > #include <std_disclaimer.h> > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook(a)lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook(a)files.phcomp.co.uk

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Why I think the Intel "Compute Card" will ultimately fail, and why it won't hurt this project
by James L 08 Jan '17

08 Jan '17

When I first heard of the Intel Compute Card, I was a little bit frustrated at how much media attention they were getting and how similar their marketing terms were (more on that later). What I realized was that neither of these thing will hurt the project in the long run, for a number of reasons. First off, I don't think Intel's product will actually succeed. Why? Corporations make money by selling the next product at the end of the life of the product. In this case, though, unless Intel is getting into the refrigerator business and every other business they plan to release every upgradeable product into, *every* company in the deal must be making money by selling the next product. Intel won't have a problem with this, as people will happily buy the "brains" upgrade, but the partner companies will not be able to sell upgrades without making significant improvements to their products (other than RAM, processor, etc.) which will make the products more expensive or increase their life cycle (both things making the partner company uncompetitive). So, if any company makes any kind of products, it will be a single more expensive one, with poor quality parts so that it will fail sooner rather than later. The similar marketing terms used may hurt this project in the very short term, because people who have heard of Intel's (failed) product will associate this project's terminology with a failed corporation's product. But in the long run, it won't even matter. Based on that assumption that they fail (or it turns out to be vaporware), it will not actually hurt the project's long term success, since the goal of this project is to reach mass volume (100 million+ units). CES does not reach most non-technical people, who are the ultimate target audience of this project. Even many technical people do not hear about every product that is announced at CES, so the project will not suffer from the similar marketing. These are just my initial thoughts, and I, for one, will not worry too much about this product. tldr; All the companies involved need to sell new products, this business model will only work for Intel (not their partners). CES does not reach this project's target audience (in mass volume), so it failing will not hurt this project's longest term goals.

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Intel at CES
by Alain Williams 08 Jan '17

08 Jan '17

I wonder where they got the idea from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38515472 http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/compute-card/intel-compute-card.ht… -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 http://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: http://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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