[Arm-netbook] OT: Librem 5?

[Bill Kontos]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Isaac David <isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info> wrote:
> Bill Kontos wrote :
>>
>> Purists that will tell you to just not use a phone because
>> we are required by regulations to run those few kb of closed rom code
>> have no place in this discussion honestly because they offer nothing
>> to the table for a solution.
>
>
> this bit here struck a chord with me.
>

Noo, I'm talking about the free software purists not purism.

Luke, when rms was asked wether he prefered gamers to play proprietary
games on windows or linux he didn't answer "don't play proprietary
games". He chose linux with the rationale that it's better to to run a
proprietary application on an open platform so the users can
experience software freedom at least to so extend in order to
understand the benefits of it. Because as I said the entire argument
for the ethical point is to be pro user, pro decentralization and
against massive power interests. The same happened when they ported
the GNU userland to closed platforms in the 90s.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:03 PM, zap <calmstorm at posteo.de> wrote:


> No... RMS means well, if people don't want to understand him its their
> fault.  Don't get me wrong, I disagree with him on faith...  (notice I
> didn't say religion because that falls into a category of doing what is
> impossible for mankind alone.) My belief of religion is trying to follow
> any type of faith perfectly which is impossible.  And that Christianity
> is a type of faith that cannot be used religiously.  I have come to that
> conclusion due to several things, including the 2016 election. I will
> stop that part for now though...

I know rms means good and that is the reason why I always advocate for
his work. I don't want to go into religion and politics as we are
opening too many discussions. But as I said what a lot of technical
people don't understand is that our worldview is an integral part of
our character. Challenging that automatically puts the person into
defense mode. It's not something we can do about, it's an instict. You
have to be very careful to not make a big attack so logic can prevail
over the instict. This is a tradoff that I come up with all the time
in my line of work: how to initiate a change on the state of mind fast
enough but not too fast that it fails.

>
> But I really do not think Stallman is wrong about libre/free software.
> People need to stop acting like capitalism is from God or something like
> that and socialism is from hell. In reality, I think both have their
> purposes in this life but, capitalism right now is like 85% of my
> country. when it should be only 40% of the country.
>

Stallman is absolutely right. If you heart is in the right place you
will imediately understand the benefits of the free culture movement
for everyone. The fact that we are not there yet is due to actions
from big interests that want to keep sharing limited to the old model
and due to the fact that society hasn't really caught up with it yet.
But we are getting there. The fact that we can now make infinite
copies of a piece of art/software and freely share them but we are
artificially shutting the door to it just blows my mind...


> Another thing to consider, piracy REALLY DOESN'T exist...


Well, the modern version of piracy. I think everyone understands that
and doesn't confuse it with the historical version of it. Besides the
fact that we have a site called piratebay doesn't help.