[Arm-netbook] OT: Librem 5?

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>>  the problem is... people *really* don't like it when you point that
>> out... because people don't normally think in hard black-and-white.
> And they shouldn't. Thinking in black and white has been the sole
> reason for many many attrocities and racism in human history. I am
> really dissapointed to read this coming from you.
I suppose there is some truth to that, but I guess, there is white,
black and gray (not talking about races)

the most we have in life is shades of gray. Not talking about that dumb
movie.

What is key is that we move towards the lighter gray not the darker or
even worse black...


>
>> which is why you get people going completely off-the-fucking-wall NUTS
>> during question-time at dr stallman's talks.  they accuse him of
>> hypocrisy, shout and almost scream at him... just so that they can
>> mentally dismiss everything he said for the past 105 minutes and be
>> able to walk out in a huff.
>>
> rms should seriously work on his presentation. You don't change
> someone's world view in one fell swoop, you do it 1% at a time. I felt
> exactly the same when I first read about rms and I was so repelled by
> him that I almost just wipped my fresh first time ubuntu installation.
> The only reason I persisted was for reasons of my own character.
> Unfortunately we don't have the technical means he has with an entire
> organisation supporting him technically and a lot of us have hardware
> requirements that mandate blobs. This is why projects like this, riscv
> and the talos project are so important. The free culture is still too
> left on the overton window for the average joe. So it is my personal
> opinion that the FSF should find a different speaker that can
> understand his/her audience better than rms does. Let alone the fact
> that pretty much all his talks are to the wrong audience. Think about
> it, you have to already be into FOSS to learn of rms, those that need
> to learn about it are the ones that are not into it. In adition to
> this I don't have time to figure out every stupid way microsoft breaks
> compatibility with .docx and .odt, if it doesn't work on libreoffice I
> upload it on google docs and download the converted form. I just don't
> have time for this and the end result is all that matters.
No... RMS means well, if people don't want to understand him its their
fault.  Don't get me wrong, I disagree with him on faith...  (notice I
didn't say religion because that falls into a category of doing what is
impossible for mankind alone.) My belief of religion is trying to follow
any type of faith perfectly which is impossible.  And that Christianity
is a type of faith that cannot be used religiously.  I have come to that
conclusion due to several things, including the 2016 election. I will
stop that part for now though...

But I really do not think Stallman is wrong about libre/free software. 
People need to stop acting like capitalism is from God or something like
that and socialism is from hell. In reality, I think both have their
purposes in this life but, capitalism right now is like 85% of my
country. when it should be only 40% of the country. 

Anyways though, I will get to the point now, captialism says make money
at any cost even if it means invading people's privacy and screwing with
people's lives and bribing the government.

That's my personal view by the way.

Socialism I believe gives too much freedom though.  A balance is needed
clearly...



>> in a way, software libre - the whole FSF thing - is basically the
>> modern-day equivalent of the black rights, slavery freedom / rights,
>> women's rights, and any civil liberties movement you care to name.
>> it's just completely unappreciated as such.
> As I said, the free culture movement is still too left on the overton
> window, but people are getting more and more fed up with the current
> situation( i.e. drm, copyright on various fan-made content from series
> etc), so it might improve in the near future. We just got our first
> FOSS game engine with enough patreon money for a developer to work
> full time on it. CC is a also a big deal with good high quality
> content published with it. Countries are willing to host websites that
> directly violate copyright laws because there is practical demand for
> it. The EU can try as hard as they want to hide the fact that piracy
> does not affect revenue streams but the reality is the only reasons
> publishers push against piracy with the petty argument of "paying the
> creator" is so free culture does not get the chance to become a more
> mainstream acceptable idea. So things are changing and the change is
> accelerating. People want better treatment on their software and you
> can see it by the marketshare changes, and with time it will improve.
> But it is BY NO MEANS a black or white scenario.
>
> It would also help if rms would realise his position at the fsf as a
> public entity and did not advocate pedophilia without any compelling
> scientific arguments on his personal website.
Another thing to consider, piracy REALLY DOESN'T exist...

Sharing works copyrighted or not, is not piracy. Pirates stole
everything not just a copy of the author's work and sold it.  They also
killed people and raped people to death.
My point is that piracy is a horrible way to describe people who share
copyrighted works.

This has been an interesting conversation though. Thank you.

ps, socialism should be 50% of all governments,

40% captialism.

and 10% everything else

That's my opinion anyways.




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