[Arm-netbook] Init Freedom

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 06:48:08AM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> ---
> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:48 AM, James L <james6.28318530 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> if they were true to their mission statement they would add the
> >> option to include it.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have to agree
> 
>  i spoke to one of the people in devuan, who turned out to be an
> amazingly wise person, and i was able to point out this discrepancy to
> them without over-reaction.  i suggested to them that it might be a
> good idea to properly honour the mission statement by including
> systemd in devuan.
> 
>  their response was that in their opinion it simply would never
> happen, ever.  devuan was *geniunely* born out of a back-lash reaction
> *against* systemd.. *not* out of a desire to genuinely honour their
> mission statement.

The mission statement came later.  But they do mean it's about choice.  
That said, they do have practial limitations as to what alternatives 
they can offer themselves, and they have focussed on important 
alternatives that are not provided by Debian.  This is how they provide 
choice.  I don't see how this si oncompatible with their mission 
statement, though I can see how it may appear so.

They also care that system owners be in control of their own 
systems.  Choice is a means to this end.  But some subsystems 
make this kind of control difficult, and it's reasonable not to spend 
effort in this direction.  Especially when there's a well-known and 
reasonably compatible distro that already does that.

-- hendrik


> 
> > Here is a question: Is a false (in any way) mission statement enough to
> > totally dismiss something? Even if their actions (providing a reasonable
> > alternative) are seemingly good?
> 
>  *sigh* i love what they've done, but the best way to illustrate it is
> with a story from mother theresa.  she was invited to an anti-war
> rally, once.  she declined... and told them that if they ever wanted
> to hold a *peace* rally, she would be delighted to attend.
> 
>  that really says it all, i think.
> 
> > From what I have observed, you seem to have two "codes" that you live
> > by, your ethics and your intuition.
> 
>  ha.  to clarify: i use my intuition to identify those things which
> are ethical [and then follow up with as much rational / logical
> reasoning as i can stand].  where i really didn't even have a
> definition of what is actually ethical until i encountered bob
> podolski, only last year.  ironic or what... :)
> 
> > Your ethics seems to mostly involve
> > your influence over others, so what does your intuition say about Devuan?
> 
>  jury's still out.  i'm hopeful that one day they'll be able to
> resolve the conflict and truly honour their mission statement.  for
> myself i... i simply cannot bring myself to endorse or support things
> where there exists a huge cognitive dissonance.  call it an ISO9001
> "fail" if you will.
> 
> l.
> 
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