[Arm-netbook] What I have done so far

[Russell Hyer]

Basically, Logitech officially then (and most likely now) don't
support keyboards plugged in through hubs and at that time (a couple
of years back) discovered strange USB 3 issues where there would be
interference caused. (Of course, my USB 3 Mac works ok, but I don't
use any Logitech devices (branded or non-branded))

Russell

On 25/07/2016, Russell Hyer <russell.hyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, though I feel I should apologise re the USB 3, since the stuff
> you show there lists Logitech, and for a time, I was an outsourced
> Logitech support rep :(
>
> Russell
>
>
> On 25/07/2016, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
>> <manuel.montezelo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Your analysis from the other e-mail is very interesting.
>>
>>  thanks.  more a reminder to myself of the urgency.  i'm hearing that
>> there are countries *actively considering* taking their currency off
>> of the hyper-inflated U.S. dollar.  if china does that and we don't
>> have modular computers (and lighter, smarter-designed cars) so that
>> china can ship *small* parts overseas and the rest is manufactured
>> locally, we're all royally screwed.
>>
>>
>>> I was only trying to analyse why people in or close to FOSS and libre
>>> hardware communities didn't embrace this campaign more enthusiastically.
>>
>>  i've not been in regular communication with them, i think that's the
>> main thing.  i've kept in touch with dr stallman but he's
>> eennnoorrrmously busy.  through my sponsor chris from thinkpenguin we
>> only began RYF discussions about 3 months before i came over to the
>> U.S. - just as the
>>
>>  really what we need[ed] was[is] someone[s] to *specifically* handle
>> awareness and communications, nothing else.
>>
>>>  As the e-mail says towards the end:
>>>
>>>   The question is "How do we gather enough passionate recruits to get
>>>   this revolution going?" but that question is hard to fit into the
>>>   realities of a marketing campaign for a couple of products.
>>
>>  honestly that's the challenge that i invite everyone - as a community
>> - to stand up and solve.  i can only provide the *opportunity* for
>> people to go "omg i've been complaining about how hardware
>> manufacturers have not been delivering, there's someone actually
>> standing up and saying they'll *MAKE* hardware... why don't i do
>> something instead of complaining, and wasting my time
>> reverse-engineering older crapware machines that have already got
>> end-of-life components in them, we have better things to do, let's get
>> to it!!"
>>
>>> But in the end, for the campaign to be successful, it also needs to
>>> provide products that people want to pledge for (if nothing else, to
>>> meet the minimum quantity to fabricate the chips that Luke keeps
>>> mentioning), so everybody needs some kind of hook to engage with the
>>> project.  It also serves to gauge interest in future products, once the
>>> campaign ends.
>>
>>  absolutely,
>>
>>>
>>> In your case, you would be thrilled to pledge for the hardware that you
>>> mention.  You say that it would have to be dirty cheap,
>>
>>  no i never said that - i said "the modular approach saves people
>> money".  totally different.
>>
>>> but many people
>>> are investing significant amounts of money to get the Neo900 rolling,
>>
>>  how's the libre firmware working out for them?
>>
>>> which probably is the closest product in the works resembling what you
>>> describe.
>>
>>  mmmm... it's a highly specialist single-board product with a
>> soldered-down SoC onto the same PCB as the modem and the WIFI module.
>> we learned already from openmoko that this is an extremely risky
>> strategy.  people who remember it, the openmoko took so long that the
>> WIFI module went end-of-life *DURING* the development... that
>> effectively killed the project because they could not afford yet
>> another round of design and PCB testing.
>>
>>  now, please let's be absolutely clear: the above paragraph is
>> ***NOT*** a criticism of the neo900 team's efforts.  it's just that i
>> see the various failures and successes of the past 10+ years, and go
>> "hmmm if we did X and avoided Y by doing Z instead, then we end up
>> with a higher chance of success".
>>
>>  ... sooo... there is *NO WIFI* on-board any of the PCBs: it's done as
>> USB-WIFI.  there is *NO 3G* on board any of the PCBs: i expect people
>> to get their own USB-3G modem.  or 2G.  or 4G.  or LTE.  or 5G.
>>
>> problem goes away.
>>
>>
>>> In my case, I would be interested in a possible range of products, but
>>> none of the current meet the expectations in one way or another:
>>
>>  well you can always pledge for a computer card, then sell it on ebay
>> or contact someone on the mailing list, i'm sure someone will take it
>> off your hands
>>
>>> - The only one laptop that I owned with <1000p of vertical resolution I
>>>  hated with passion (partly because of the resolution and partly
>>>  because of the glossy screen).
>>
>>  the EOMA68-A20 has an HDMI port, 1920x1080 works perfectly, and you
>> can always get a DisplayLink USB-DVI/HDMI adapter
>>
>>>  So I think that buying a laptop from the campaign with that screen
>>>  resolution would be a mistake in my case.  Personally I also need
>>>  something much more powerful than the A20 for tasks that I do daily on
>>>  the computer (both in terms of CPU and memory).
>>
>>
>>> - Close family are still well served by the options already available
>>>  around the home, e.g. Thinkpads a decade old (still from IBM).
>>
>>  yeahyeah - then this would be not such a bad option for them
>>
>>> - I will need one or two mini-servers at home in 1~2 months.  I have
>>>  several small devices around the house with different architectures,
>>>  some not even purchased but given to me for some reason or another,
>>>  and that I have not tried yet after 1 year sitting in a bookcase; as
>>>  well as older x86 systems that still fit the bill and work fine.
>>
>>  :)
>>
>>>  So I could give some use to EOMA cards if I pledge for them (still
>>>  deciding), but in that case I would keep the other hardware unused
>>>  (not eco-friendly, and a bit of a waste of money).  And I would need
>>>  them now-ish, waiting until next spring is not an option for that
>>>  small personal project.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that many people wanting to support the project would have
>>> similar conflicts and are not decided about what to do.
>>
>>  yeahh it's all about timing.
>>
>>> It's a pity that RFY certification can only start after the campaign is
>>> finished.  With lots of visibility, at least it would mean that there's
>>> a bigger set of people in the intersection "I want to support this
>>> project", "I need this hardware/products in a few months" and "I can pay
>>> them now".
>>>
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, pledges keep increasing :-)
>>
>>  i know... :)  i keep doing updates, it keeps people interested.
>>
>> l.
>>
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