[Arm-netbook] Google Groups Re: EOMA68-A20 usb fel-boot and u-boot upload (no GPL-violating allwinner boot0 or boot1 involved)

[mike.valk at gmail.com]

2013/6/3 Oliver Schinagl <oliver+list at schinagl.nl>:
> On 03-06-13 13:40, Alejandro Mery wrote:
>>
>> On 03/06/13 13:31, Roman Mamedov wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:17:55 +0100
>>> "luke.leighton"
>>> <luke.leighton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:15 AM,
>>>> mike.valk at gmail.com
>>>> <mike.valk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/6/1 luke.leighton
>>>>> <luke.leighton at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ok i have the usb fel Bus 003 Device 083: ID 1f3a:efe8 still on the
>>>>>> bus, so the A20 3.3 kernel source from allwinner isn't resetting
>>>>>> USB-OTG properly.  i forced it into "client only" mode which meant
>>>>>> that it didn't segfault at least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> anyway, i also got /dev/fb0 on HDMI up and running, as well as
>>>>>> connecting a USB 4-port hub, with keyboard and mouse.  if i had a
>>>>>> USB-Ethernet dongle i could connect to the internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so whew going from "it's all gone to shit with gpl violations in the
>>>>>> way" to "actually you can use this do at least do some testing, it's
>>>>>> not perfect but it's doable" within about 3 days which is great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> l.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Great news. I assume you've let the linux-sunxi maillist know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   no i haven't: they're running on non-free infrastructure and i am
>>>> keeping to my principles of staying as much as i can away from
>>>> non-free server infrastructure.  if they would like to move to
>>>> free-software-hosted infrastructure there are dozens of people willing
>>>> to help them to do that, and i will then be happy to subscribe to the
>>>> linux-sunxi list and will send them patches etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree it would awesome if linux-sunxi@ (and also cubieboard@ while
>>> we're at
>>> it) were migrated away from Google Groups, because telling people to
>>> go post
>>> message in a Google group is basically like telling them to go sign up
>>> for a
>>> Google account* -- which is something I would like to avoid suggesting to
>>> people.
>>
>>
>> you can subscribe sending an empty mail to
>> <linux-sunxi+subscribe at googlegroups.com> without
>> needing your mail address registered as a G account. (same applies for
>> cubieboard@)
>
> you can subscribe to google groups without gmane too:
>
> linux-sunxi+subscribe at googlegroups.com
>
> Luke, while I fully stand behind you on your principles, and support and
> agree with you, I'm a little worried that this goes slightly to far?
>
> It is a public mailing list, so what google does with the content, doesn't
> matter. It can do the same as any mailing list.
>
> Other then that, it just sending/receiving mail from google. I don't believe
> you refuse to exchange e-mails with people using gmail or people using
> Exchange as a server. What if mails get routed via those services?

I have agree. Yes, vendor lock in is bad. But with a maillist hosted
by google that's hardly the case.

And if some "nonfree" corporation is lending there infrastructure to
us to create something "free". That's nice for a change for something
that's usually it's the other way around.

But let's not get "an eye for and eye" on this.

>
> While I agree that we should have started the list elsewhere initially,
> nobody wanted us! I think the plan is to host our own ML in the future, but
> we're not there yet.

Luke is offering now! please poll the rest of the linux-sunxi members
if they're up for the move.

I'm just a spectator hardly the one the liaison. But will if needed

I remember Luke was startled by the move to a separate maillist. It
even got me off guard. It was kinda out of the blue and the
annoucement was quite in the face.

Though I agree to seperate the discussions "EOMA standard and
initiatives" and "all A10 devices to mainline Linux" separate.

But let's not give each other a hard time. Let's collaborate.



>
>
>>
>> also, googlegrooups was used because none of the known mailman hosters
>> in the linux world accepted to give us space. most didn't even care to
>> reply the request, others politely replied we weren't relevant. and I
>> didn't have time to setup (and maintain) postfix/mailman myself.
>>
>> there are a few others with `sudo` access to the sunxi server these days
>> who are free to setup (and maintain) a self contained
>> dev at linux-sunxi.org list. otoh spam control on
>> an open list is a pain, and big G  is pretty good handling that part.
>> and they give a decent web interface with it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alejandro
>>
>
>
>
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