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Sat Dec 7 14:32:15 GMT 2013

hi oliver, thanks for your support here.  we'll get there.  will have
to see about FOSDEM.

regarding linux-sunxi: what pissed me off was two things.  the first
was that i wasn't even told it was happening, wasn't consulted, and
found out *months* after it had been set up.  the second is that the
decision was taken to use non-free proprietary hosting services when,
if i *had* been consulted, i would have been able to point people in
the direction of several the highly-experienced software libre
sysadmins i know who would have immediately said "yes" if anyone had
bothered to ask them if they could add domain names, mailing lists, or
any number of software libre packages, and they would have helped run
them at zero financial cost, because that's what these
highly-experienced people do already, for dozens of custom project,
and have done now for decades   ... but you know this already: i've
mentioned it a number of times.

so, to repeat: if you would like me to be directly involved in the
linux-sunxi community, *stop* using google's proprietary mailing list.
 subscribe it as a one-way archive if you want, and subscribe
gmane.org as well to it (like arm-netbooks is) so that people can use
a web browser to post and still maintain thread continuity.  also i
will not submit patches via github: i revoked my account on it because
again that is a non-free proprietary service.  so you neither have a
means for me to notify the sunxi community of patches, nor do you have
a means for me to push patches _to_ the sunxi community, because you
didn't consult or involve me in the creation of the sunxi community
and chose to use proprietary software services for quotes convenience
quotes.

if that's useful to you to continue to maintain that situation, please
continue to do so - nobody, least of all i, will tell you what to do.
i will however advise you each time this comes up what the
consequences are of the decision that was made, and the consequences
are that you will have to work harder and harder to keep track.

l.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:25 AM,
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> From: Oliver Schinagl <oliver+list at schinagl.nl>
> To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:23:31 +0100
> Subject: Re: Flashing the NAND
> Hey list,
>
> On 06-12-13 21:52, luke.leighton wrote:
>>
>> replies brief, fell off bicycle, damaged shoulder.
>
> Ouch, you always do have bad luck :( Hope you get well soon!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo at kde.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 6, 2013 14:55:43 luke.leighton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo at kde.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, December 6, 2013 12:44:42 luke.leighton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> knowledge is being generated and then *thrown away*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   not when i'm doing it.  i document everything as i'm going along,
>>>> because i've done this a number of times.  it does however begin to
>>>
>>>
>>> I know you try to do this, but it isn’t producing results useful to others.
>>
>>
>>   notes needed. info good. not enough collaboration.  too early.
>>
>>>> try my patience to have to follow up pretty much every single message
>>>> to arm-netbooks with "could you please put that on the wiki”.
>>>
>>>
>>> That’s because the wiki is not useful. If it were, people would be using it.
>>
>>
>>   no product.  beyond most people to be honest.  i'm motivated, but not
>> paid.  others: no motivation, nor any pay.  result: no long-term
>> contributions!  lots of people help along the way though.  really
>> really grateful.
>>
>>> In part this is because there is no “the  wiki”: there is the wiki on rhombus-
>>> tech.net which starts with "Welcome to Rhombus Tech, a CIC company”, there is
>>> elinux.org which a wonderful maze of relevant and not-relevant information and
>>> there is the linux-sunxi.org wiki.
>>
>>
>>   sunxi went off did their own thing.
>
> Without trying to step on any toes, I'll firstly even say, Luke you know I think you are doing a great and admirable thing, but let me at least explain or clarify a little here.
>
> When I joined linux-sunxi, well I joined the arm-netbook IRC first, I didn't even know about the EOMA86. Or at least didn't know how/if it related to sunxi. I was looking for A10 information as I recently got a tablet with that SoC and was looking for a mediacenter for a while. The XBMC A10 thread actually triggered me and even bought a Pivos first (I sold it) because it was initially said the AMLogic was the best solution available (still no bootloader/VPU driver do they?).
>
> So while I got there after the 'split' but it makes perfect sense to be fair.
>
> EOMA86 is a project about this awesome board, with any chip on it. The first produced choice is the A[12]0. Linux-sunxi is just about these SoC's, development for them and not really about EOMA86. I'd almost go as far as to say it's more about the olimex and cubietech boards (they sent out dev-boards to the devs) now.
>
> So while I know you are a little sad about the split and the way it went (I wasn't there, but know it was in no way intended to be against you or the project) don't be. It's evolution if anything and if anything we should work closer together.
>
> On that note, will EOMA86 be at FSODEM 2014?
>
> Oliver
>>
>>
>>> We should discuss all this during the future irc meeting, starting by defining
>>> what our needs are as a group, what our expectations are, cataloging our
>>> current assets and then creating process that may work for us to move us
>>> forward.
>>
>>
>>   good idea.  you're good at that.  i have a different style.
>>
>>>>> "would people be open to having one with the goal of improving this
>>>>> situation?”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   yes!
>>>
>>>
>>> ok, cool. for you, evenings (UTC) and weekends work better than daytime,
>>> correct?
>>
>>
>>   yes.
>>
>>> i’m thinking of something in early January to get this started ...
>>
>>
>>   great.
>>
>>> --
>>> Aaron J. Seigo
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