From mozzwald at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 14:05:52 2019 From: mozzwald at gmail.com (Joseph Honold) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:05:52 -0500 Subject: [Arm-netbook] PINE64 foundation beat us both to making a laptop In-Reply-To: References: <20190731224949.48bf1a6f@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> <20190801194732.ze4m2icrytqsc5xd@pabbook> <20190801232803.63a6eb12@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> Message-ID: > From what I could gather its firmware isn't 100% free, because the WiFi and GPU (and I think even the CPU) need some proprietary code, but there are projects that work on replacing the GPU's (and CPU's) with open firmware. The WiFi could be replaced with an external USB dongle. > As for the hardware, it has no open schematics at all, as far as I know. > > Mali GPU open firmware: https://panfrost.freedesktop.org > Rockchip board: http://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_Main_Page > Wifi is rtl8xxx variant me thinks. The open source driver would be Lima, but I think it's still WIP. Schematics are available for the pinebook on their wiki https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/Main_Page From zapper at disroot.org Thu Sep 12 02:45:59 2019 From: zapper at disroot.org (zap) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Arm-netbook] How are things? Message-ID: <654e023c-9a58-9d03-88ce-43dd484b3095@disroot.org> I saw your 70th update. It's good to know at least that you can roll some out finally. Right? Do you know when Risc-V processors made for laptops will be out. If so, when one is produced you could possibly reverse engineer one for the eoma68 (standard) libre laptop From lkcl at lkcl.net Thu Sep 12 03:05:01 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:05:01 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] How are things? In-Reply-To: <654e023c-9a58-9d03-88ce-43dd484b3095@disroot.org> References: <654e023c-9a58-9d03-88ce-43dd484b3095@disroot.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, September 12, 2019, zap wrote: > I saw your 70th update. It's good to know at least that you can roll some > out finally. Right? Still have to do the testing sigh > > Do you know when Risc-V processors made for laptops will be out. If so, > when one is produced you could possibly reverse engineer one for the eoma68 > (standard) libre laptop > > Well hopefully if a 3rd party makes a suitable ADIC they will have the good sense to provide full documentation... :) -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From zapper at disroot.org Thu Sep 12 03:17:47 2019 From: zapper at disroot.org (zap) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 22:17:47 -0400 Subject: [Arm-netbook] How are things? In-Reply-To: References: <654e023c-9a58-9d03-88ce-43dd484b3095@disroot.org> Message-ID: <46a809c4-d83c-ffb3-0aeb-0fa94f1e5f6f@disroot.org> On 09/11/2019 10:05 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Thursday, September 12, 2019, zap wrote: > >> I saw your 70th update. It's good to know at least that you can roll some >> out finally. Right? > > Still have to do the testing sigh I am sure you will get it done soon. > > >> Do you know when Risc-V processors made for laptops will be out. If so, >> when one is produced you could possibly reverse engineer one for the eoma68 >> (standard) libre laptop >> >> > Well hopefully if a 3rd party makes a suitable ADIC they will have the good > sense to provide full documentation... :) > I dunno, I would hope so too.  I think it will happen in two years. Do you think that is generous or do you think it will be sooner? From lkcl at lkcl.net Thu Sep 12 03:26:08 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:26:08 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] How are things? In-Reply-To: <46a809c4-d83c-ffb3-0aeb-0fa94f1e5f6f@disroot.org> References: <654e023c-9a58-9d03-88ce-43dd484b3095@disroot.org> <46a809c4-d83c-ffb3-0aeb-0fa94f1e5f6f@disroot.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, September 12, 2019, zap wrote: > >>> >>> >>> Well hopefully if a 3rd party makes a suitable ADIC they will have the >> good >> sense to provide full documentation... :) >> >> I dunno, I would hope so too. > I think it will happen in two years. Do you think that is generous or do > you think it will be sooner? > > Sounds about right. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From paul at boddie.org.uk Sat Sep 21 14:06:22 2019 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 15:06:22 +0200 Subject: [Arm-netbook] STM32MP1 Message-ID: <2039450.cHgityqPYY@jeremy> Hello, I saw that Olimex were getting excited about a ST Microelectronics SoC that, at least in some forms, might be an interesting EOMA-related candidate, too: https://olimex.wordpress.com/2019/09/03/stm32mp1-nice-candidate-for-new-industrial-grade-olinuxino-lime/ https://olimex.wordpress.com/2019/09/19/stm32mp1-olinuxino-development-update-we-managed-to-build-ubuntu-18-04-lts-with-linux-kernel-5-3-now-we-need-your-feedback-on-gpios/ Here's the actual product site (with the now "normal" nagging about cookies, all enabled by default, and even spurious whining about my browser being "out of date"): https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers-microprocessors/stm32mp1-series.html As noted by Olimex, there's a variant (STM32MP157) with a "3D GPU". According to the datasheet, this is a Vivante solution. Some people might be worried about the main CPU specification, though: 650MHz dual-core Cortex-A7. There's this interesting all-in-one module available, too: https://octavosystems.com/octavo_products/osd32mp15x/ Olimex were a bit "sniffy" about this, mentioning the 512MB RAM of the available modules, but it looks like future ones will have 1GB RAM. Anyway, I hope this is interesting to someone out there. Paul From lkcl at lkcl.net Sat Sep 21 14:18:45 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 14:18:45 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] STM32MP1 In-Reply-To: <2039450.cHgityqPYY@jeremy> References: <2039450.cHgityqPYY@jeremy> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 2:07 PM Paul Boddie wrote: > > Hello, > https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers-microprocessors/stm32mp1-series.html ooo niiice, ARM Cortex A7, Dual Core, with a Cortex M4 on board as well. > As noted by Olimex, there's a variant (STM32MP157) with a "3D GPU". According > to the datasheet, this is a Vivante solution. so fully libre-licensed software, w00t! https://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/embedded-microprocessors/694?FV=ffe002b6&quantity=0&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&k=STM32MP157&pageSize=25 mmmm USD $9 in MOQ 1800 whoops, that's a biit steep for what it is. if they'd gone for even 1ghz or 1.5ghz it would be fine at that kind of price. it's still pretty damn good. l. From doark at mail.com Sun Sep 22 03:17:07 2019 From: doark at mail.com (David Niklas) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 22:17:07 -0400 Subject: [Arm-netbook] STM32MP1 In-Reply-To: References: <2039450.cHgityqPYY@jeremy> Message-ID: <20190921221707.4de4c795@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 14:18:45 +0100 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 2:07 PM Paul Boddie wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers-microprocessors/stm32mp1-series.html > > ooo niiice, ARM Cortex A7, Dual Core, with a Cortex M4 on board as well. > > > As noted by Olimex, there's a variant (STM32MP157) with a "3D GPU". > > According to the datasheet, this is a Vivante solution. > > so fully libre-licensed software, w00t! > > https://www.digikey.com/products/en/integrated-circuits-ics/embedded-microprocessors/694?FV=ffe002b6&quantity=0&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&k=STM32MP157&pageSize=25 > > mmmm USD $9 in MOQ 1800 whoops, that's a biit steep for what it is. > if they'd gone for even 1ghz or 1.5ghz it would be fine at that kind > of price. > > it's still pretty damn good. > > l. Why is all the opensource stuff always overpriced? Really, this is not the first project. Thanks, David From lkcl at lkcl.net Sun Sep 22 04:21:17 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 11:21:17 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] STM32MP1 In-Reply-To: <20190921221707.4de4c795@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> References: <2039450.cHgityqPYY@jeremy> <20190921221707.4de4c795@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, September 22, 2019, David Niklas wrote: > Why is all the opensource stuff always overpriced? Really, this is not > the first project. > > Because there are not enough people to justify lower volume manufacturing prices and techniques. The setup and teardown costs for PCBA remain the same no matter the length of the production line. All the Tape and Reel cartridges take exactly the same time to install. Then, the products are just not as good so normal people do not want them in the first place. Whoops. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From lkcl at lkcl.net Mon Sep 23 07:56:31 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:56:31 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] NLNet Funding Proposals for the Libre RISC-V SoC: call for participation Message-ID: [please do remove all but libre-riscv-dev when replying, thx] https://libre-riscv.org/nlnet_proposals/ A series of funding proposals, each for EUR 50,000, have been submitted to NLNet. These are for charitable donations and may be given to either individuals or to Universities (not to Corporations) for completion of an allotted milestone. The basic idea is to think through and plan for commercial completion all of the tasks that will make the Libre RISC-V SoC a success. It's a lot! We have the following: - a second Vulkan 3D driver, which will be a port of AMDVLK. similar to swiftshader, for the Libre RISCV SoC, except taking into account the Vectorisation, predication and custom accelerated opcodes. - a video acceleration initiative: with NEON assembler being up to the job of decoding 720p video on recent ARM64 processors, the idea is to design instructions that will do the job and then follow through getting the code upstream. - two related proposals which, in combination, will result in an actual 180nm ASIC being taped out at TSMC. - a formal mathematical proof of the hardware design, proving inviolate guarantees of its correctness. this because although auditing the code is possible, it is both laborious, error prone, and could be compromised. mathematical proofs may be run by anyone and are inviolate. - an augmentation of gcc to support the processor’s parallel and vectorisation capabilities. Yes, really: 180nm ASICs only cost around EUR 600 per square millimetre, and with around 20 or so mm^2 it is completely within the realm of possibility for an NLNet Grant to fund a test ASIC. With each square millimetre being around 40,000 gates in 180nm, that's around 800,000 gates, which is enormous. We would then have a proven ASIC, and moving up to 40nm or below, which would require around the USD 2m mark, is a far less risky proposition. The irony is that whilst these funding proposals are quite easy to write, we also need to find people willing to do the work! In particular, we need at least one EU Citizen per project. They do not have to be permanently resident in the EU, they do however need an EU residence. Yes this includes the UK at the time of writing. This is an extremely important strategic project that puts you - software libre developers - in the driving seat of modern technology instead of picking up the reverse engineering crumbs that fall from the Corporate table with at least a 2 year delay. If you would like to help and actually receive donations (directly transferred) from NLNet for doing so, please do contact me directly or on libre-riscv-dev. L. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Sep 24 08:43:13 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 08:43:13 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Libre-silicon-devel] NLNet Funding Proposals for the Libre RISC-V SoC: call for participation In-Reply-To: <1889402.CalVNhU1Be@dizzy-7> References: <1889402.CalVNhU1Be@dizzy-7> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:48 AM David Lanzendörfer wrote: > > Hi Luke > In order to be truly libre, you've got to remove AXI from the RISC-V > implementation and replace it with TileLink or another bus, which isn't > patented by a company. > Also I would strongly discourage you from using ARM patented solutions, > this might most certainly come back in the future to hunt you. appreciated, david: the main issue that we have is, with implementing a GPU and VPU and CPU all in one, it's going to be unavoidable to run into 3D patents, Video patents, you name it, we'll be hitting it. from ICubeCorp alone - one company that i know of for certain created a similar "Hybrid" CPU/GPU/VPU, we'll be hitting up to *seventeen* patents: https://patents.google.com/?q=ICubeCorp&oq=ICubeCorp broadcom's videocore IV, which is based on the ARC core (bought by synopsys), likewise has a whole stack of patents: ARC's primary business was - is - licensing identical to ARM except embedded and not as high-profile, with specialisation in Video SIMD instructions. to even *try* to avoid these is just completely pointless: the entire design would be so hamstrung as to be utterly commercially useless, and, worse than that, we'd be taking on far more work and would completely miss the goal as a result, missing out on additional funding opportunities that would enable us to actually get to first silicon. in short: if we're adding AXI to the list of patents to avoid, because we take on the additional responsibility of avoiding patents, we also have to add the entire MASSIVE list of other patents in Video Acceleration, 3D Acceleration, processor core design, and so on, and it's just completely impractical. some alternative strategies present themselves: (1) if a customer (licensee) is presented with a patent demand, we can look at prior art and arrange for the patent to be invalidated. we have nothing to lose. enough of these being successful will cause large patent holders to freak out and back the hell off. (2) join a patent pool. like the linux foundation, except for hardware. the newly-formed Open 3D Graphics Alliance is a good place to start from, here. (3) get to first silicon, get chips sold, get investment, *then* fund a new ASIC design that avoids all known patents. bottom line: we have to be realistic, and pick the best technology for the job. TileLink, with its low level of adoption, Is Not It (and using chisel3 is not an option for this processor). Wishbone, whilst we may need some wb2axi bridges in order to avoid having to do major rewrites, just doesn't cut it as far as complex multi-way routing is concerned. l. From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Sep 24 12:16:04 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:16:04 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Libre-silicon-devel] NLNet Funding Proposals for the Libre RISC-V SoC: call for participation In-Reply-To: References: <1889402.CalVNhU1Be@dizzy-7> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 9:55 AM Hagen SANKOWSKI wrote: > The main difference between AMBI AXI and Wishbone is the streaming > capability. AXI can stream data, just with repetition stages, without > handshake signals. So, it would be easier and more sustainable to > bring-up Wishbone to the next level by standardize a similar streaming > feature. And yes, there are a lot of cores which using AMBA AXI which > had to be partly re-written for Wishbone. But currently, there is no > alternative, or as the German chancellor Merkel likes to say: > "alternativlos". With added streaming feature to Wishbone, we would get > an alternative full-featured SoC Bus and Designers could fix their bad > AMBA AXI bus interfaces.. great: this sounds like a perfect *additional* Research Project which someone [else] could put in a request for funding. once it is available, we can look at converting the code over to use it, and converting any peripherals to use it. or, if someone [else] wants to include the Libre RISC-V SoC peripheral set as a possible suite of examples to convert (which would help justify a budget of EUR 50,000) they are welcome to do so. the relevance of the streaming capability is that we need an I2S Audio Bus. i can help with a write-up: unfortunately i am hitting an _additional_ limit of EUR 250,000 per person for overall projects submitted, so cannot be the one to submit it. l. From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Sep 24 13:12:05 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:12:05 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Libre-silicon-devel] NLNet Funding Proposals for the Libre RISC-V SoC: call for participation In-Reply-To: References: <1889402.CalVNhU1Be@dizzy-7> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 1:06 PM Staf Verhaegen wrote: > Have yo guys looked at the pipeline feature of Wishbone B4 ? What is missing there to make streaming possible ? hagen mentioned (offlist) that the broadcast mode of wishbone b4 could indeed be used. he'd like to do a write-up / proposal and i am happy to help him review it. l. From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Sep 24 13:33:38 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:33:38 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Libre-silicon-devel] NLNet Funding Proposals for the Libre RISC-V SoC: call for participation In-Reply-To: References: <1889402.CalVNhU1Be@dizzy-7> Message-ID: hagen, i cookie-cut one of the other proposals, you'll see it here: https://libre-riscv.org/nlnet_2019_wishbone_streaming/ if you want to use that to start from i left some TODO sections, do keep it short, it really does not need much. they can always contact you and ask follow-up questions. if you prefer to write one yourself do feel free as well. you will see the list of questions that are asked, copied to that template. l. From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Sep 24 14:53:04 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:53:04 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] NLNet Funding Proposals for the Libre RISC-V SoC: call for participation In-Reply-To: <8f38a14422e96826c094f471abcf584591b62c5d.camel@fibraservi.eu> References: <1889402.CalVNhU1Be@dizzy-7> <8f38a14422e96826c094f471abcf584591b62c5d.camel@fibraservi.eu> Message-ID: On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, Staf Verhaegen wrote: OK, let me mention I have for my Retro-uC currently nmigen Wishbone code. Great! > > I use it to make an arbiter between JTAG and the CPU cores on the design > (Z80, MOS6502 and Motorola 68000) that can do a read/write for each cycle. > Plan is top commit code to my gitlab repo after ORConf. > Dan from ZipCPU would say that I still have to formally verify the code > though... . Yes. Ah it just occurred to me to get in touch with him again, see if he would like to help with the formal proofs proposal. Looks like you might get your "wish" after all, David :) L. > greets, > Staf. > > -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From lkcl at lkcl.net Wed Sep 25 10:16:17 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:16:17 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] NLNet Funding Proposals for the Libre RISC-V SoC: call for participation In-Reply-To: References: <1889402.CalVNhU1Be@dizzy-7> Message-ID: https://libre-riscv.org/nlnet_2019_wishbone_streaming/ Hagen we do not have much time left before Oct 1st so I just very quickly filled in some paragraphs. It is more important to get something in that is brief and short, they will ask questions during the review process. If you can let me know, if you are happy with the above, or feel free to edit it direct? If anyone has any suggestions on anything else to add do say so [soon!] L. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From doark at mail.com Wed Sep 25 15:43:56 2019 From: doark at mail.com (David Niklas) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 10:43:56 -0400 Subject: [Arm-netbook] NLNet Funding Proposals for the Libre RISC-V SoC: call for participation In-Reply-To: References: <1889402.CalVNhU1Be@dizzy-7> Message-ID: <20190925104356.579e8a27@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:16:17 +0800 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > https://libre-riscv.org/nlnet_2019_wishbone_streaming/ > > Hagen we do not have much time left before Oct 1st so I just very > quickly filled in some paragraphs. It is more important to get > something in that is brief and short, they will ask questions during > the review process. > > If you can let me know, if you are happy with the above, or feel free to > edit it direct? > > If anyone has any suggestions on anything else to add do say so [soon!] > > L. It would be helpful if you defined "streaming" in this context, otherwise people would not understand the importance of the project. For example, I thought every type of data was a "stream" of 1s and 0s. So streaming would be what every piece of HW would natively do well. It's just a question of chunk size and protocol. Thanks, David From lkcl at lkcl.net Wed Sep 25 16:33:07 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:33:07 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] NLNet Funding Proposals for the Libre RISC-V SoC: call for participation In-Reply-To: <20190925104356.579e8a27@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> References: <1889402.CalVNhU1Be@dizzy-7> <20190925104356.579e8a27@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 3:44 PM David Niklas wrote: > It would be helpful if you defined "streaming" in this context, otherwise > people would not understand the importance of the project. it's an industry-standard term: https://lauri.võsandi.com/hdl/zynq/axi-stream.html it's designed to send a one-way data stream that may (optionally) have positional data. video or audio would have a timestamp. > For example, I thought every type of data was a "stream" of 1s and 0s. you're probably thinking of packets, which are sequential data "segments". thx david. l. From lkcl at lkcl.net Sat Sep 28 06:22:04 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:22:04 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] crowdsupply update 27sep2019 power regulators Message-ID: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/faulty-power-regulators -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From doark at mail.com Sat Sep 28 18:13:55 2019 From: doark at mail.com (David Niklas) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:13:55 -0400 Subject: [Arm-netbook] crowdsupply update 27sep2019 power regulators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20190928131355.7af100bb@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:22:04 +0800 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/faulty-power-regulators > I know just how you feel, luke. I've had the same fortune with Li-Ion batteries, capacitors, and now some antennas... Only in my case they're purposefully mislabeled. David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEL2N7+xWmVOJDQxWGm3XCrhg2YP8FAl2PlNQACgkQm3XCrhg2 YP8nbxAAvJjfPOBRvs3he2pbr1fMjT2VPVZi15zIu/jUFg+Bu2PV2qV5+LnK45Rd gGnv0TMKBm7hd13tBiiyYHAsOCYM9DkVtMJ2l1HRMrwRu6sxx93G+U44Z2QXfDHf v3UMNTcG/G6HDOiWjB9k24UR0SjV4Vs27S4yxsqa0rnb2GKPvwEoRrrCvb56/KBM bcajCu2Bf2ByOdyLr7YGqsjYYbkIk+FkQwtnysTASVGHI0eiJWgXGsXbG+KyjAWx GgZO/6mHYQ/2wPSO8+glYvV18wG5yc4ex0gTnjJrHrsC0VrkiHXARQwkwNVsbbby UB2bEauqv+eE16uhruI6EUijK07q/BR8BV8eipzO8v+14QKwZKpElVVPAVMbHvCf 3EmMkqCgyqoxWYmjGGEuafwSZyeCb6XIKFbTMjnuvoefXtX6vxug54tIidUdiwn+ Rh5n+0eiTA3xE72cDehd9fXApYpQyuWjASwpgwsF9h1lbivYLCb98Ci7/88K5ij4 IZ4BX0pB60kzbMuIcISaWXq1UVrECC8DZMyitmQl3i0xm3R+DDLtXAjCc/tspFuJ WRTKyuxcBbtuU3eGbaCYvQjy5aT9HDawXGjQd7PPPXUlJuQB8ygjU1BHrWTEFAGJ q50WJx/lt+jwyJ+XO4uL4ffWv9jM9j4kxydR+ODoGaMPdQuSKWE= =vGPT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lkcl at lkcl.net Sat Sep 28 18:35:31 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 01:35:31 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] crowdsupply update 27sep2019 power regulators In-Reply-To: <20190928131355.7af100bb@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> References: <20190928131355.7af100bb@Phenom-II-x6.niklas.com> Message-ID: On Sunday, September 29, 2019, David Niklas wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:22:04 +0800 > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/ > faulty-power-regulators > > > > I know just how you feel, luke. > I've had the same fortune with Li-Ion batteries, capacitors, and now some > antennas... > Only in my case they're purposefully mislabeled. > > Ahh yes. The lovely fraud by china taobao sellers. Crack open the 200uF capacitor and it contains a 10uF one inside. Mike on the other hand has a solid relationship with his suppliers, one he buys a million components a year from. L. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From lkcl at lkcl.net Sat Sep 28 18:44:09 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 01:44:09 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] need help finding EU Citizens to help with NLNet Funding proposals Message-ID: https://git.libre-riscv.org/?p=crowdsupply.git;a=blob;f=updates/020_2019aug28_intriguing_ideas.mdwn;hb=HEAD I now have *seven* NLNet Funding proposals in and I urgently need four EU Citizens to be part of each project. Whether you actually do anything is entirely up to you. The way it works is that NLNet has been funded by thr EU Horizon 2020 Programme. Thus they need at least one member of the team to be an EU Citizen. They do not have to be *resident* in the EU, just gave an EU address. This includes the UK fir the next month. The important thing to note is that this is not a contract, it is a Memorandum of Understanding. There are no penalties and no committment. If you can help please do get in touch, I will need to be able to say "yes" on each project over the next 3 weeks. If you know someone.who can help please do ask around. Thx. L. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From lkcl at lkcl.net Sun Sep 29 08:46:42 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:46:42 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] slashdot article submitted about NLNet Grants for Libre-RISCV SoC Message-ID: https://slashdot.org/submission/10462238/libre-risc-v-3d-cpugpu-applying-for-eur-400000-worth-of-nlnet-grants please do upvote... l. From lkcl at lkcl.net Sun Sep 29 20:40:16 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:40:16 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] slashdot article submitted about NLNet Grants for Libre-RISCV SoC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/19/09/29/1845252/libre-risc-v-3d-cpugpu-seeks-grants-for-ambitious-expansion Sorted. If anyone spots reddits ycombinators heuse.de or anything do post here need to keep an eye on them. -- --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From lkcl at lkcl.net Sun Sep 29 21:16:19 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 21:16:19 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] slashdot article submitted about NLNet Grants for Libre-RISCV SoC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 8:40 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/19/09/29/1845252/libre-risc-v-3d-cpugpu-seeks-grants-for-ambitious-expansion > > Sorted. If anyone spots reddits ycombinators heuse.de or anything do post here need to keep an eye on them. https://www.reddit.com/r/RISCV/comments/db04j3/libreriscv_3d_cpugpu_seeks_grants_for_ambitious/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21109296 > > > -- > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > From jacky.baltes at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 03:16:54 2019 From: jacky.baltes at gmail.com (Jacky Baltes) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:16:54 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] need help finding EU Citizens to help with NLNet Funding proposals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I would be happy to help. German citizen living in Taiwan. You can use my parents address: Maierhofstrasse 18, Muenchen 81241, Germany I would be actually interested in developing robotics/AI extensions/variants of the RISC-V architecture. On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 1:44 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > https://git.libre-riscv.org/?p=crowdsupply.git;a=blob;f=updates/020_2019aug28_intriguing_ideas.mdwn;hb=HEAD > > I now have *seven* NLNet Funding proposals in and I urgently need four EU > Citizens to be part of each project. > > Whether you actually do anything is entirely up to you. > > The way it works is that NLNet has been funded by thr EU Horizon 2020 > Programme. Thus they need at least one member of the team to be an EU > Citizen. > > They do not have to be *resident* in the EU, just gave an EU address. This > includes the UK fir the next month. > > The important thing to note is that this is not a contract, it is a > Memorandum of Understanding. There are no penalties and no committment. > > If you can help please do get in touch, I will need to be able to say "yes" > on each project over the next 3 weeks. > > If you know someone.who can help please do ask around. > > Thx. > > L. > > > > -- > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook at files.phcomp.co.uk -- Prof. Jacky Baltes, Skype, Twitter, Telegram: jacky.baltes National Taiwan Normal University 162 Heping E. Rd., Sec. 1, Taipei 10610, Taiwan Tel: +886 -2-7734-3634 Email: jacky.baltes at ntnu.edu.tw From lkcl at lkcl.net Mon Sep 30 07:17:35 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:17:35 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] need help finding EU Citizens to help with NLNet Funding proposals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 3:18 AM Jacky Baltes wrote: > > Hi, > > I would be happy to help. German citizen living in Taiwan. fantastic. we now have an "excess" of EU Citizens so i put you on the "spare" list. > I would be actually interested in developing robotics/AI > extensions/variants of the RISC-V architecture. ah that's very interesting. what do you think would be involved? actually, what could be done - as long as it could also meet the "Privacy and Enhanced Trust" criteria of NLNet - is to create an entirely new proposal. what i would suggest is, we work on one over the next few weeks, to submit for Dec 1st? the "privacy" angle should be quite straightforward: we don't want hackable robotics and AI systems. some GPIO might need to be very low latency, would that be about right? also, there will need to be "fast math approximation" opcodes etc. what kinds of specialist opcodes would be needed? l. From jacky.baltes at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 07:30:42 2019 From: jacky.baltes at gmail.com (Jacky Baltes) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:30:42 +0800 Subject: [Arm-netbook] need help finding EU Citizens to help with NLNet Funding proposals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Really busy right now and I am going to be away until Indonesia until Friday. I will contact you once I am back. On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 2:18 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 3:18 AM Jacky Baltes > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I would be happy to help. German citizen living in Taiwan. > > fantastic. we now have an "excess" of EU Citizens so i put you on the > "spare" list. > > > I would be actually interested in developing robotics/AI > > extensions/variants of the RISC-V architecture. > > ah that's very interesting. what do you think would be involved? > actually, what could be done - as long as it could also meet the > "Privacy and Enhanced Trust" criteria of NLNet - is to create an > entirely new proposal. > > what i would suggest is, we work on one over the next few weeks, to > submit for Dec 1st? > > the "privacy" angle should be quite straightforward: we don't want > hackable robotics and AI systems. > > some GPIO might need to be very low latency, would that be about right? > > also, there will need to be "fast math approximation" opcodes etc. > what kinds of specialist opcodes would be needed? > > l. > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook at files.phcomp.co.uk -- Prof. Jacky Baltes, Skype, Twitter, Telegram: jacky.baltes National Taiwan Normal University 162 Heping E. Rd., Sec. 1, Taipei 10610, Taiwan Tel: +886 -2-7734-3634 Email: jacky.baltes at ntnu.edu.tw From lkcl at lkcl.net Mon Sep 30 07:49:35 2019 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:49:35 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] need help finding EU Citizens to help with NLNet Funding proposals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jacky Baltes wrote: > > Hi, > > Really busy right now and I am going to be away until Indonesia until > Friday. I will contact you once I am back. ok great. l.