From wean.irdeh at gmail.com Sat Jun 2 16:26:03 2018 From: wean.irdeh at gmail.com (Wean Irdeh) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 22:26:03 +0700 Subject: [Arm-netbook] Cortex-A76: Laptop class performance with mobile power efficiency Message-ID: https://community.arm.com/processors/b/blog/posts/cortex-a76-laptop-class-performance-with-mobile-efficiency I hope next rockchip processor in chromebook will use these cores From paul at boddie.org.uk Sun Jun 3 17:38:47 2018 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 18:38:47 +0200 Subject: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status Message-ID: <201806031838.47947.paul@boddie.org.uk> Hello, I don't want to intrude with questions whose answers are already known, but back in January there were estimates of "five to seven months" with regard to "shipping", by which I presume that the final hardware was meant: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/eoma68-a20-2-7-5- gerbers-off-to-factory-thank-you-to-everyone-for-the-sponsorship However, there was also the matter of prototypes being made. This was covered in the February update: "We might get lucky and have the PCBs back, if so I will post photographs." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/fosdem-2018-shakti- project-tape-out-nearly-done-2-7-5-eoma68-a20-pcbs The March update suggests that the prototypes were still waiting for RAM: "Mike is following up on pricing for Samsung DDR3 RAM, which appears to be available. I want one other guaranteed supply of a completely different RAM IC and I will tell him to go ahead with the 10 samples… but not until we have an absolute guarantee of availability. Then once the samples are done we have a clear and extremely simple and straightforward production schedule to follow." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/fosdem-recap-risc-v- update-and-certification-marks The April update made a mention of another source of RAM, but nothing new about the prototype schedule: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/ddr3-ram-and-a-libre- risc-v-soc Are there any further updates on this situation? I imagine that the production schedule is more or less "when it is ready", as I have always understood it, but I did wonder whether there had been further progress with the prototypes. Paul From lkcl at lkcl.net Sun Jun 3 21:17:05 2018 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 21:17:05 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status In-Reply-To: <201806031838.47947.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <201806031838.47947.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > Are there any further updates on this situation? I imagine that the production > schedule is more or less "when it is ready", as I have always understood it, > but I did wonder whether there had been further progress with the prototypes. arrived yesterday, testing them now, RAM's fine, checking HDMI. dealing with RISC-V and recovering from four weeks of travelling to six different places in four different countries. l. From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Jun 5 04:56:13 2018 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 04:56:13 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status In-Reply-To: References: <201806031838.47947.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > >> Are there any further updates on this situation? I imagine that the production >> schedule is more or less "when it is ready", as I have always understood it, >> but I did wonder whether there had been further progress with the prototypes. > > arrived yesterday, testing them now, RAM's fine, checking HDMI. > dealing with RISC-V and recovering from four weeks of travelling to > six different places in four different countries. fuckers sold the fucking DDR3x8 RAM ICs after we specifically asked them to hold it, they wouldn't accept a deposit, and said that they would hold stock whilst we tested samples. fucking 3rd party sales agent fucking went and sold the chips: it was the last batch of 2,000 that they had. From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Jun 5 05:23:22 2018 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 05:23:22 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status In-Reply-To: References: <201806031838.47947.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: >> >>> Are there any further updates on this situation? I imagine that the production >>> schedule is more or less "when it is ready", as I have always understood it, >>> but I did wonder whether there had been further progress with the prototypes. >> >> arrived yesterday, testing them now, RAM's fine, checking HDMI. >> dealing with RISC-V and recovering from four weeks of travelling to >> six different places in four different countries. > > fuckers sold the fucking DDR3x8 RAM ICs after we specifically asked > them to hold it, they wouldn't accept a deposit, and said that they > would hold stock whilst we tested samples. > > fucking 3rd party sales agent fucking went and sold the chips: it was > the last batch of 2,000 that they had. ok, so whew, i think what's happened is, they were so embarrassed by the sales agent selling the last batch that they're actually going to custom-order some more. it'll take about a month to get them made, and the nice thing is, they'll make 4,000. so we have all the RAM ICs to make 1,000 boards. whew. From mikejackofalltrades at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 06:27:00 2018 From: mikejackofalltrades at gmail.com (Mike Henry) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 23:27:00 -0600 Subject: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status In-Reply-To: References: <201806031838.47947.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: >> fuckers sold the fucking DDR3x8 RAM ICs after we specifically asked >> them to hold it, they wouldn't accept a deposit, and said that they >> would hold stock whilst we tested samples. >> >> fucking 3rd party sales agent fucking went and sold the chips: it was >> the last batch of 2,000 that they had. > > ok, so whew, i think what's happened is, they were so embarrassed by > the sales agent selling the last batch that they're actually going to > custom-order some more. it'll take about a month to get them made, > and the nice thing is, they'll make 4,000. > > so we have all the RAM ICs to make 1,000 boards. > > whew. That's great news! From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Jun 5 06:57:38 2018 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 06:57:38 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status In-Reply-To: References: <201806031838.47947.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 6:27 AM, Mike Henry wrote: >> ok, so whew, i think what's happened is, they were so embarrassed by >> the sales agent selling the last batch that they're actually going to >> custom-order some more. it'll take about a month to get them made, >> and the nice thing is, they'll make 4,000. >> >> so we have all the RAM ICs to make 1,000 boards. >> >> whew. > > That's great news! still have to get their response by email, and agree to take the money... From maillist_arm-netbook at aross.me Tue Jun 5 11:55:06 2018 From: maillist_arm-netbook at aross.me (Alexander Ross) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 11:55:06 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status In-Reply-To: References: <201806031838.47947.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <32a34011-36d7-2aca-5390-bc97d08ed5e0@aross.me> glad to hear, despite there cock-up , sounds like it can hopefully work out. whew indeed :). Thanks again for continued super efforts! From vkontogpls at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 15:41:36 2018 From: vkontogpls at gmail.com (Bill Kontos) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 17:41:36 +0300 Subject: [Arm-netbook] Cortex-A76: Laptop class performance with mobile power efficiency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lead time from an ARM IP announcement to new products tend to be approximately 1 year. Also the high end cores usually only appear on high end SoCs first( e.g. snapdragon 800 series). On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Wean Irdeh wrote: > https://community.arm.com/processors/b/blog/posts/cortex-a76-laptop-class-performance-with-mobile-efficiency > > I hope next rockchip processor in chromebook will use these cores > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook at files.phcomp.co.uk From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Jun 12 14:15:01 2018 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:15:01 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] Open source Allwinner R40 circuit diagrams In-Reply-To: <51e8f23abcec621e233255d6d14c0632@enemygadgets.com> References: <4cc0fbfcea487755ce74780e71b44226@enemygadgets.com> <46a27494de67de180d5a8cd275611e85@enemygadgets.com> <0e488485f580c549d7d9acee6128fe84@enemygadgets.com> <73fc7ddc31ce9ec2203792bf5eb66730@enemygadgets.com> <3da72e955b1434351fcf95d1aad3e027@enemygadgets.com> <51e8f23abcec621e233255d6d14c0632@enemygadgets.com> Message-ID: On Monday, May 14, 2018, joem wrote: > > On 2018-05-13 22:07, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >> >> In the mean time, been doing other KiCAD boards. >>> A blue pill (ST clone of Atmega Arduino) - >>> https://hellosemi.com/hypercube/pmwiki.php?n=Main. >>> HypercubeBluePillSTDuinoBoard >>> >>> >>> You seen the board i did , right? Stl470? >> > > No seen it yet - I did a google search - can't find it. > > Akso can fund st cimmunity link >> for you they should be a long way along by now. Small form factor v >> cgallengung to get cost down. >> > > ? > > http://hands.com/~lkcl/stl47o/ From luke.leighton at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 16:35:31 2018 From: luke.leighton at gmail.com (lkcl) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 16:35:31 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Campaign Question] The project page (crowdsupp... In-Reply-To: <152959349610.21555.11927264690816099071.repoze.sendmail@cosmo> References: <152959349610.21555.11927264690816099071.repoze.sendmail@cosmo> Message-ID: thanks for this - it's really appreciated, i'm going to cc the mailing list, bcc'ing you, and taking out your email address. there is something which i've not put on the page (however it has been discussed many times over the years on the mailing list). right now the last thing that's needed is for a huge number of non-technical individuals to come online at once and overwhelm the *volunteer* technical members of the mailing list. you may not be aware of this but the total number of people working full-time paid-up to work on this project is presently ZERO. as in: the total number of people with full-time funding to work on this project is: ZERO. as this was an anticipated possibility as far back as 3+ years ago the page was *deliberately* designed to attract TECHNICALLY aware individuals and to DISCOURAGE non-technically-aware users: people who are self-starters, "tinkerers" and electronics experts. from that base of people, when they receive their pledged items, a small community will grow at a pace that they can cope with, who will then be able to create the documentation, wiki pages, update the source code and so on. by *that* time, *THEN* and ***ONLY*** then will the project be in a state where it can accommodate non-technical end-users. at that point people who can do "sales", companies that can take "orders" will be needed (because i cannot do that, due to being the Certification Mark holder). at *that* point, the advice that you've given below will become relevant. hope that helps clarify. l. On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Crowd Supply wrote: > submitted a question about your project, "Earth-friendly > EOMA68 Computing Devices": > > The project page (crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop) can be difficult to > read through & understand because of the heavy use of acronyms without > accompanying long-names/full-names and ELI5 definitions. I have a general > background in development & admin and I had to look up the long name and > definition for a number of the acronyms used. This approach, while more > concise, is going to be very off-putting to many people who are more used to > buying pre-built computers than building their own. I love the idea of this > project and want to see it succeed, but the harder the content is to read for > non-hardware geeks, the harder it will be to convince non-hardware geeks to > spend their money on it. > Please consider reserving some of those terms for tech specs, white papers, > etc., and replace them with descriptions &/or more generic terms that your > neighbors, friends, or relatives who ask you to help them fix their computers > or connect their new printers, etc., will understand. Better yet, ask some of > those people to read through your copy and give feedback on comprehension and > overall impression by non-computer geeks. If you don't want to reach that > audience, then please pick the lowest technical knowledge customer group you do > want to reach and get their feedback. Maybe it's the type of person who has > never worked in IT, but can attach plug & play devices, set up Wi-Fi on their > own, etc. > Again, I really do want to see projects like this succeed. Best of luck and > I've already bookmarked this for future reference. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Crowd Supply > https://www.crowdsupply.com > 811 SE Stark St, #300 > Portland, OR 97214-1241 > 800-554-2014 From wean.irdeh at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 23:00:26 2018 From: wean.irdeh at gmail.com (Wean Irdeh) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2018 05:00:26 +0700 Subject: [Arm-netbook] Qualcomm is using Cortex A76 to beat Intel Skylake U and Y series 2017 in Snapdragon 1000 Message-ID: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/06/more-details-leak-on-snapdragon-1000-qualcomms-chip-for-windows-10-laptops/ Qualcomm is starting to pick up, I hope other fabless chipmaker will start to do so soon On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 9:41 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > Lead time from an ARM IP announcement to new products tend to be > approximately 1 year. Also the high end cores usually only appear on > high end SoCs first( e.g. snapdragon 800 series). > > On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Wean Irdeh wrote: >> https://community.arm.com/processors/b/blog/posts/cortex-a76-laptop-class-performance-with-mobile-efficiency >> >> I hope next rockchip processor in chromebook will use these cores >> >> _______________________________________________ >> arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk >> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook >> Send large attachments to arm-netbook at files.phcomp.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook at files.phcomp.co.uk From vkontogpls at gmail.com Sun Jun 24 12:48:31 2018 From: vkontogpls at gmail.com (Bill Kontos) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2018 14:48:31 +0300 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Campaign Question] The project page (crowdsupp... In-Reply-To: References: <152959349610.21555.11927264690816099071.repoze.sendmail@cosmo> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 6:35 PM, lkcl wrote: > thanks for this - it's really appreciated, i'm going to cc the mailing > list, bcc'ing you, and taking out your email address. > > there is something which i've not put on the page (however it has been > discussed many times over the years on the mailing list). right now > the last thing that's needed is for a huge number of non-technical > individuals to come online at once and overwhelm the *volunteer* > technical members of the mailing list. > This is something that I see a lot of people not appreciate: People use their windows computers full time with absolutely no technical support. Even when they pay( and even for pre installed computers the notion of the OS being part of the cost exists subconsciously as I've noticed with a friend), they do not expect or feel entitled to technical support. It comes to show how important the maturity of a project is( as in even the worst OS currently available can run long enough to warrant the users not requiring technical support). I think once the original crowdfunding pledges are delivered a first round of outreach will be required. I don't know how future sales of the project are going to happen( since as you said you don't intend to stay in the business of making them for long) or who is going to develop new cards but the project could definitely use some extra eyes. Personally I'm holding off a purchase both due to the fact that the A20 is too slow for anything useful for me and mainly due to cost( and I want to build a NAS at some point too). From lkcl at lkcl.net Sun Jun 24 13:07:23 2018 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2018 13:07:23 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Campaign Question] The project page (crowdsupp... In-Reply-To: References: <152959349610.21555.11927264690816099071.repoze.sendmail@cosmo> Message-ID: On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > I think once the original crowdfunding pledges are delivered a first > round of outreach will be required. I don't know how future sales of > the project are going to happen( since as you said you don't intend to > stay in the business of making them for long) ah you misunderstand, bill: i have NEVER been permitted to be in the BUSINESS of selling cards, EVER. a Certification Mark holder is not permitted to, as it is "competing with licensees". the only way to get the Cards out to people is to be an "Advisor" to ThinkPenguin, who has handled the finances and so on. so let me be clear: ANYONE MAY CONTACT ME AND BECOME A SALES AGENT. or license EOMA68 and make their own Housings and Cards. if the design is entirely libre the licensing fee will be zero and i will do everything i can to help them. > or who is going to develop new cards anyone may do so... under license [zero fees if it's libre]. i have been doing them up until now. > but the project could definitely use some extra > eyes. yep i know. > Personally I'm holding off a purchase both due to the fact that > the A20 is too slow for anything useful for me and mainly due to cost( > and I want to build a NAS at some point too). rockpro64 for you, then. damn good board. l. From paul at boddie.org.uk Sun Jun 24 22:01:10 2018 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2018 23:01:10 +0200 Subject: [Arm-netbook] Campaign Schedule and Future Sales/Products Message-ID: <201806242301.10645.paul@boddie.org.uk> I saw the recent response to my enquiry ("EOMA68-A20 Prototype Status") which was augmented by a campaign update: "It’s going to take about a month to have the 8 Gbit 1600 MHz DDR3 x8 RAM ICs manufactured: we’re on the way. [...] All in all, it will likely take three months after getting the cards back from assembly before shipping begins. That puts actual delivery of the first units in late October." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/2-7-5-samples- received-dram-is-ok-micro-hdmi-to-confirm This new information is much appreciated, and I hope that everything continues going to plan. Meanwhile, I noticed that the matter of future sales and products arose in another thread, with the intention being expressed that others will be producing and selling boards in future. Now, there may have been some confusion in that other thread because I seem to recall talk of follow-up campaigns (although these may have been related to other hardware projects, not computer cards). Indeed, the August 2016 campaign update about the product roadmap had the following to say: "We need your backing for this project and the current Computer Card before we can be in an established financial position to properly evaluate and bring you these faster Computer Cards." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/product-roadmap The crucial question in the context of the above is therefore the following: who exactly is "we"? If not any of the parties behind the current campaign, who might it be? Here, I can understand some confusion or a mismatch in expectations. But in any case, this discussion of future sales and products reminded me of a number of things, the first of which being the board designs: "The only exception to this rule to release everything in advance is the PCB CAD files for the Computer Card. We’re planning to release the PCB CAD files for the Computer card once sufficient units are hit that ensures any third party manufacturing runs will not undermine the project’s development or stability." https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/crowdfunding Although "the point about the A20 running out of time" [1] has been made repeatedly since the start of the campaign (this quote being from March 2017 in the context of suitable NAND ICs), might it be envisaged that the design files be released for the A20 card to perhaps *stimulate* the project's development and stability after this campaign concludes? Has there been any constructive interest from anyone to produce more boards using this design? I see that Olimex have recently introduced a variant of one of their A20-based products using the compatible T2 SoC [2]. So, the A20 still has an audience and a commercial life, apparently. Another thing I found myself considering is the matter of the other cards mentioned during the course of the campaign. If they are not going to be offered via future campaigns, will they be offered by existing partners or collaborators? For instance: http://rhombus-tech.net/ingenic/jz4775/ http://rhombus-tech.net/rock_chips/rk3288/ http://rhombus-tech.net/nexell/s5p6818/ The first two of these had been prototyped, as I recall (and has been documented), and so I imagine that there is some value in seeing them become products, subject to economic and technical viability, the latter of which reminding me of the following remarks: "The rk3288 is not a low-power chip, and the heat sink supplied (pictured above), is not adequate for any CPU-intensive activity, quickly throttling performance when it gets too hot." https://forum.armbian.com/topic/4614-asus-tinker-board/ (The above is just an acknowledgement of the difficulties of selecting products, not an invitation to discuss the details.) Finally, I realised that the current campaign began almost two years ago. I think the second anniversary of its launch will be on Friday this coming week. It would be interesting to hear any reflections on the position of this initiative two years on, whether (and how) the roadmap might change, and what still needs to be done to bring this modular computing vision to fruition. Apologies if I missed various updates or announcements that happen to answer some of my questions! Paul [1] https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/complexities-of- hardware-progress-and-travel [2] https://olimex.wordpress.com/2018/06/20/a20-olinuxino-lime-revision-h-is- now-in-stock-the-oshw-linux-computer-now-support-emmc-and-can-be-produced- with-industrial-grade-temperature-4085c/ From wean.irdeh at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 06:48:08 2018 From: wean.irdeh at gmail.com (Wean Irdeh) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 12:48:08 +0700 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Campaign Question] The project page (crowdsupp... In-Reply-To: References: <152959349610.21555.11927264690816099071.repoze.sendmail@cosmo> Message-ID: > rockpro64 for you, then. damn good board. How does that compare to EOMA68 standard board? What things I will miss when I purchase that board? From lkcl at lkcl.net Mon Jun 25 07:43:58 2018 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 07:43:58 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Campaign Question] The project page (crowdsupp... In-Reply-To: References: <152959349610.21555.11927264690816099071.repoze.sendmail@cosmo> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 6:48 AM, Wean Irdeh wrote: >> rockpro64 for you, then. damn good board. > How does that compare to EOMA68 standard board? What things I will > miss when I purchase that board? the rk3399 has 6-cores, pci express 4-lane and USB3. From wean.irdeh at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 09:22:26 2018 From: wean.irdeh at gmail.com (Wean Irdeh) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:22:26 +0700 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Campaign Question] The project page (crowdsupp... In-Reply-To: References: <152959349610.21555.11927264690816099071.repoze.sendmail@cosmo> Message-ID: No, I mean, in terms of libre hardware On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 6:48 AM, Wean Irdeh wrote: > >>> rockpro64 for you, then. damn good board. >> How does that compare to EOMA68 standard board? What things I will >> miss when I purchase that board? > > the rk3399 has 6-cores, pci express 4-lane and USB3. > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netbook at files.phcomp.co.uk From lkcl at lkcl.net Mon Jun 25 09:27:31 2018 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 09:27:31 +0100 Subject: [Arm-netbook] [Campaign Question] The project page (crowdsupp... In-Reply-To: References: <152959349610.21555.11927264690816099071.repoze.sendmail@cosmo> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Wean Irdeh wrote: > No, I mean, in terms of libre hardware ok. so MALI is the only problem, there. i *believe* the video stuff is good and/or being worked on (v4l2), you'll have to investigate a bit deeper. booting, general-purpose use: absolutely no problem whatsoever. l.