[Arm-netbook] rk3399 what full schematics does lkcl want?

[David Niklas]

On  Fri, 19 May 2017 18:17:16 +0100
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
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> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:49 PM,  <ronwirring at safe-mail.net> wrote:
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> > Because a license prohibits it?  
> 
>  no.
> 
> > Because competitors can use them?  
> 
>  correct.
> 
> > Lkcl, have you asked tfirefly to give you the full schematics cad
> > data?  
> 
>  no... because they would think i was a bit dumb.  or worse, wanted to
> steal their business.  i have no desire to piss them off.
> 
> 
> > Because I got to think, you said tfirefly is withholding some
> > schematics,  
> 
>  no i did not say that.  it may be true but i would not have
> specifically said it.  i may have said that *rockchip* has *not made
> available the reference design* which is a totally different matter.
> 
>  you may have then thought "rockchip equals firefly".
> 
>  please try not to make cross-connections and/or correlations that
> aren't actually the case.
> 
> 
> > I wrote tfirefly asking them to email me the full schematics.
> > Tfirefly never denied, that they had not made the full schematics
> > public. They said, they could not disclose the full schematics. Maybe
> > due to a lack of english skills on both sides.  
> 
>  no, you've just misunderstood their business model.  please don't ask
> them again, it's not fair to ask them to make public something which
> will destroy their business model.
> 
> 
> > Then what should you ask tfirefly for? Full schematics cad data?  
> 
>  absolutely nothing.  you don't ask them for anything.  they're a
> third party business - an OEM.
> 
>  and we also can't ask rockchip either, because we're not going to
> order a million of their processors, cash up-front... *until* they
> have made full CAD data available.
> 
>  classic catch 22 situation.
> 
>  so instead we wait - as i specifically, specifically said - until
> rockchip's Reference Designs leak out onto the public internet and are
> available on e.g. taobao or other site, for sale for $25.
> 
> l.

So, how did the t-firefly group create their SOC if they could not get
the CAD files?

Thanks,
David