[Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic
vkontogpls at gmail.com
Mon May 8 09:59:41 BST 2017
I chuckled when reading your message doark. This is pretty much the story
of my life and my greatest fear, that is my mind degrading for whatever
reason and become unable to understand or interact with the world
intelligently ans have no way to defend myself against this degration. Im
in my 20s and I already think of what I'll probalby never do in my life
that I really want to do( such as programming and going to space to satisfy
my curiosity). I have come to the same conclusions as you said about the
logic gap of atheism and the meaning of life is the one question that I
prefer to give the simplest answer to: just live to learn. I have read The
Chronicles of Narnia when I was a little kid( all 7 of them) and I read
them again a couple years ago for nostalgia reasons and wow are these books
deeper than they look like.
On May 8, 2017 6:02 AM, <doark at mail.com> wrote:
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> I apologize for DOS'ing the list, I can only get online about once a week.
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:27:00 +0000
> Lyberta <lyberta at lyberta.net> wrote:
> > Christopher Havel:
> > > @ Lyberta -- I'll just say that I don't think it's any healthier to be
> > > wanting to kill other people than it is to be wanting to kill
> > > yourself. Somehow that doesn't fit my definition of 'normal'. But
> > > that's me -- and I don't want to, you know, tell you how to think.
> > > Not my job. So I'll drop this for now, except to say that pills can
> > > do you a world of good if you let them.
> > This is a humane execution. They turn you into a vegetable and other
> > people think you are awake, but you are asleep, you have no coherent
> > thoughts. I have gained 40 kgs under antipsychotics and now I have
> > problems standing up and sitting down, I have low blood pressure, my
> > knees hurt a lot, I can barely walk anymore. I'm just a lump of fat now.
> > Lump of fat that waits for the world to kill it.
> @ Lyberta,
> I've been thinking a lot about what you wrote, what I'm about to write
> could be totally wrong, but if I'm right it would lead to a cure for you.
> I'm not a psychiatrist, but I do know what a request for help from anyone,
> anyone at all, looks like.
> I suspect that you might be more intelligent than people give you credit
> for. I suspect that you're caught in the ultimate trap, weather you
> realize it consciously it or not. You see, when philosophers first
> removed God from their philosophies they are tasked then with trying to
> find a purpose to life. As others on this list pointed out becoming a
> homicidal maniac is pointless, but as the aforementioned philosophers
> found, the universe will eventually end and all that is, or was, or could
> be, or could have been will cease to exist. They were thus confounded in
> the question that never has been answered by atheists. That would be,
> "When should I die." and more generally, "What is the point of it
> I've seen many people caught in this trap, perhaps without knowing it.
> They start off as fun people capable of much, as they age they realize
> what they have not done, and what they are not and probably will never
> be. They then try things like suicide, or boasting, and thus they loose
> those qualities which draw others to them if not their life as well.
> I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own
> potential for lack of a moral standard (it also suffers as a result of
> an Atheistic philosophy), and unable to accept a pointless existence.
> You see, Killing others would be something (you describe laughing at
> them and being rid of them), and killing yourself would cause you to no
> longer think about your problems. So my theory would at least satisfy
> both of your, ahem, ravings, in as much as it would point to a root cause
> of both.
> I said above that "I suspect that you might be more intelligent than
> people give you credit for," and here is what I mean. If you can reason
> that far, even subconsciously, then you have gotten farther then most in
> as much as you realize the lack of adequate solutions. Put another way,
> you are way up there with the very best Atheistic minds.
> Now I could easily go on, but I think that I'll leave you with a
> hopefully clearer understanding of what is bothering you. As Mr. Havel
> pointed out, I don't intend to tell you how to think, and ultimately, more
> people are cured everyday of mentally related problems by their own minds
> then drugs, or what others tell them. Think about it, panic, too much and
> a person can't function, too little and they are lackadaisical. Or fear,
> or pain, or love (I'm talking emotional attraction), or well, anything.
> In any and all cases I think you might enjoy a book that is eyeopening,
> insightful and uplifting, with respect to the world around you, as
> opposed to your more dreary, despairing, world view. This would at least
> give you lots of interesting and worthwhile things to think about IMHO
> and it would be something that even a vegetable could do :)
> I'd suggest "The Chronicles of Narnia" by C.S. Lewis and "The phantom
> Toll Both" by Norton Juster.
> It is from "The Chronicles of Narnia" that we get the quote "Oh my
> mistress do not by any means destroy yourself, for if you live you may yet
> have good fortune, but all the dead are dead alike!"
> The very best,
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