[Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

[Adam Van Ymeren]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir at cohens.org.il> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:49:36PM +0100, Ythogtha wrote:
>
>>       I'm new on this list, so hello everybody :)
>>
>> If I may make a small remark...
>> I feel that somehow, having a library installed only to know wether some other
>> software is present or not feels the wrong way to do things.
>
> I don't have SELinux enabled on my system. Still many core components on
> my system are linked with libselinux.so.1. Will you fork Debian to
> patch out the SELinux support?

I don't see libselinux.so.1 on my debian system.

>
> What is the actual overhead?
>
> libsystemd0 takes 646kb of disk space. It adds a negligible amount of
> memory and run time (for the case of not using systemd).
>
> Removing it adds a huge amount of
>
>>       Software already have dependencies and depency checking, wether it is at
>> build-time or run-time.
>>       If you write a software that could use any part of systemd, you
>> shouldn't force the presence of libsystemd to find out if the parts you might
>> want are present !
>>       Either it is a compile-time feature, then if you compile it without
>> systemd, you'll have to rebuild it again if you decide to install systemd, or it
>> is a run-time feature, and a simple check for dynamically loading a shared
>> library should be enough to know wether libsystemd is present.
>>
>>       So I don't see the point in having libsystemd if you do not have any
>> part of systemd installed !
>>
>>
>>       When I build ffmpeg, I don't need a lib_is_lame_present to be able to
>> use lame if it is present ! Either I build it with LAME=yes, and it will fail if
>> lame isn't there, or it will pass. What would be the point of having some other
>> library installed to know wether or not lame is there ?
>>       And if it weren't a compile-time dependency, but a dynamically loaded
>> library at runtime, the code just has to try to load the library and report that
>> the functionality isn't present if it fails.
>
> You confuse Debian with Gentoo. Gentoo is a distribution for those who
> rebuild all of their packages with various options. Along the way the
> unique sets of options lets the trigger their own unique bugs and thus
> they help test the various softwares.
>
> Debian is a binary distribution. There is a single set of build options
> for each package.
>
>>
>>       It should be the same for a software using systemd. Either it is
>> compiled with libsystemd, therefore you need it to run it. Or it detects at
>> run-time wether a particular functionality is there, and there is no need to
>> rely on having libsystemd present to do that.
>
> How do you detect this at run time? Every program should write its own
> (buggy) test? No, it should use an existing test. Use libsystemd.
>
>>       The middle ground being to compile with libsystemd, and use it to detect
>> wether it is actually working and a specific functionality is available. But it
>> seems easy enough to allow for compiling without libsystemd and then assuming
>> sysytemd is never there and none of its functionality are usable.
>>       Rebuild it if things changes, that is the way to do it.
>
> This works in Gentoo. Not in Debian.
>
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