[Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

Philip Hands phil at hands.com
Wed Dec 7 11:43:13 GMT 2016

"mike.valk at gmail.com" <mike.valk at gmail.com> writes:

> 2016-12-07 10:56 GMT+01:00 Michael Howard <mike at dewberryfields.co.uk>:
>> On 07/12/2016 09:07, Philip Hands wrote:
>>> If everyone that doesn't like systemd runs screaming away from Debian,
>>> shouting about libsystemd0, and doesn't bother to report bugs where our
>>> ambition to support other inits falls short, then they just ensure that
>>> the future they fear comes to pass.
>>> Wow, that last paragraph is the height of arrogance. Choice, long may it
>> live.
> I fail to see the arrogance in that paragraph. That's a simple cause and
> effect. If you don't point out an issue, nothing can be done about it.
> Simple logic to me. If enough issues are unreported things simply become
> unusable. This relates to every sense of community.
> Since we're dealing with shared code, most of the issues in Debian occur in
> other distro's as well.
> Since debian usually holds "older" versions. Frequently a backport fix is
> needed to fix the issue. But maintainers need to know abaout the issue
> first.
> And I didn't read that Phil says you're not allowed to choose differently.
> Merley the consequence of the choice not reporting your issue, before
> leaving, has future consequences.

The inclusion of the word "screaming" was probably not helpful if I
wanted to get as level-headed a reading of what I wrote as you just gave
it -- thanks to you for reading past that, and apologies to all for the
emotive language.

Cheers, Phil.
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