This list runs on a machine that I own, thus I "own" the list. I had also given Luke luke.leighton@googlemail.com owner status of this list.
However: after some recent antics of his I have become concerned that he may abuse that 'owner' position as he appears to want to attack me. I have thus removed this status from him.
Be assured that he is still subscribed to this list - 3 times as he is also subscribed as lkcl@lkcl.net and luke.leighton@gmail.com.
I am, however, concerned that recent list traffic has largely moved away from "Eco-Conscious Computing" and dealt with Luke's personal problems and the abuses that he seems to think that others are doing to him.
What got me worried, how has Luke attacked me ?
I was visited by the police last night. Luke had made a complaint of harassment against me, apparently I did in by email. Last night was the first that I knew of his complaint. I believe that the email was the one below, but am not sure:
https://lists.libre-soc.org/pipermail/libre-soc-dev/2024-December/006650.htm...
The PC told me that he had reviewed the email(s) and said that he did not consider that I had done anything unreasonable (or something like that).
Given that Luke's failure of his attempt to get me into trouble with the law I have taken the action above in case he might use owner status to cause me problems.
I believe that Luke's antipathy towards me is a result of me asking repayment of a loan that I had given to him to tide him over until he received payment from NLnet. He was paid by NLnet but refused to repay the loan.
Regards
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 5:56 AM Alain D D Williams addw@phcomp.co.uk wrote:
I am, however, concerned that recent list traffic has largely moved away from "Eco-Conscious Computing" and dealt with Luke's personal problems and the abuses that he seems to think that others are doing to him.
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I believe that Luke's antipathy towards me is a result of me asking repayment of a loan that I had given to him to tide him over until he received payment from NLnet. He was paid by NLnet but refused to repay the loan.
Ahhh yes. Luke's famous temper.
Luke, Alain was simply bringing up the matter as a concern, as anyone would normally do. I'd've done the same, if the debt were owed to me. It's a thing people do when that happens, and stuff comes up about that later. If I may respectfully submit, now is neither the time nor the place for another feud. You yourself know how much damage has been done to you already. Turning yet another friend into an enemy -- and I can tell Alain cares about you still and wants to remain your friend, at least for now -- over yet another perceived wrong, is not something you want to do right now. You need to focus on your healing. You can work things out with Alain later.
Speaking from experience as a fellow "Aspy" -- someone with Asperger's Syndrome -- sometimes emotion really does get the better of us. It's hard not to dwell on those things. It's hard not to be frustrated, even angry -- even to fell full-on *betrayed* -- and often at the worst of times. It makes us do some really really dumb stuff. I know I'm guilty of that. I have a LOT of regrets, and a lot of them were because I couldn't just make myself let go of this or that, I had to confront it, and my "angy words" got the better of me when I did. Make like a Disney flick and "let it go" -- at least till you're proper healed up, OK?
Or, if you prefer -- down boy, down. Stay. Be nice. Heal! ...and *then* you'll get the doggie treat. ( :P )
Also, sorry I've not been posting. I've been shuffled off to the hospital myself. I got back only 18hrs ago and I am EXHAUSTED -- but I have Adulting Things to do before I can sleep. Unfortunately, all I had with me was my phone, and bottom-posting in GMail Mobile on a smartphone is infuriating at best... so I waited. Luke, I wish you a safe and (all things being relative) speedy-for-what-it-is recovery, and I hope in the meantime you will be granted the wisdom and ability to focus on getting better, and, again, with all due respect, to let this new episode of Family Feud wait till Steve Harvey comes by later ;3
Alain, thank you for sharing your concerns with us. We all care about Luke, I think... well, unless and until he burns that bridge. Part of me wishes he didn't have quite the talent he seems to have for that... or at least, that he had less of a penchant for using it.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 6:32 AM Christopher (Skye) Havel < laserhawk64@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 5:56 AM Alain D D Williams addw@phcomp.co.uk wrote:
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I believe that Luke's antipathy towards me is a result of me asking repayment of a loan that I had given to him to tide him over until he received payment from NLnet. He was paid by NLnet but refused to repay the loan.
Luke, Alain was simply bringing up the matter as a concern, as anyone would normally do. I'd've done the same, if the debt were owed to me. It's a thing people do when that happens, and stuff comes up about that later. If I may respectfully submit, now is neither the time nor the place for another feud. You yourself know how much damage has been done to you already. Turning yet another friend into an enemy -- and I can tell Alain cares about you still and wants to remain your friend, at least for now -- over yet another perceived wrong, is not something you want to do right now. You need to focus on your healing. You can work things out with Alain later.
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Luke, it is very conspicuous that you have not yet addressed this, but have posted other threads elsewhere. You know I don't presume to put words in others' mouths unless I think there's a very high chance we're speaking in unity -- I cannot *imagine* that it would not be the will of all of us that you would address this. Simply letting it go unanswered and unaddressed, even in these circumstances, would be a major and significant failure of leadership. You're the one who opened this can of worms, only you can close it.
You don't have to say much. Explanations and justifications can wait. I think if you just promise to leave Alain alone -- or at least to not feud with him -- for now, that'd be enough, and one or two sentences is all you'd need for that. To state the obvious, you could *technically* say a lot of other stuff, but... I *really* don't think that's a good idea right now.
Please just put this one to bed, OK?
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