yay! the slashdot article seems to have gone (still going) well - waaa took up my entire day responding to people, but it's resulted in a big jump from $52.5 to $55.2 and still going.
now... the next person to poke a stick at would be michael larabel, he was so funny saying "awww darn it, you guys keep bugging me about that damn eoma68 thing, ahh i suppooose i'd better write an article theeeen"... if anyone feels so inclined, feel free to poke him with a stick again, point out that the discussion on his forum was huge (20 pages, 200 comments) and that i refer people to it all the time as the technical discussions on there are really valuable, so it gets _him_ some exposure for his site....
l.
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El Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 02:26:51AM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton deia:
yay! the slashdot article seems to have gone (still going) well - waaa took up my entire day responding to people, but it's resulted in a big jump from $52.5 to $55.2 and still going.
Take a little rest sometime. You're missing a K there, like $55.2K ($55435 already) .
I see there're only 13 passthrough cards. I thought there'd be more of those and more laptops once they're on offer. It's been less than a week, though?
I have some questions on the pasthrough cards, but I haven't looked if there are answers out there already, so I'll look and ask another day in another thread if needed.
Btw, there's a subjective sensation I get, maybe it's just me. But the more recent discussions aren't more positive in tone than at the beginning of the campaign... if true this might be good and give hope of a new concept maturing in the public mind and a possible late but in time acceptance... What's the more typical curve in crowdfunding pledges ?
now... the next person to poke a stick at would be michael larabel, he was so funny saying "awww darn it, you guys keep bugging me about that damn eoma68 thing, ahh i suppooose i'd better write an article theeeen"... if anyone feels so inclined, feel free to poke him with a stick again, point out that the discussion on his forum was huge (20 pages, 200 comments) and that i refer people to it all the time as the technical discussions on there are really valuable, so it gets _him_ some exposure for his site....
Did you miss July 30
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=50k-Open-Allwinner-Board-...
?
Or you want him to write an article every other day ?
I think Mr. Larabel must be aware of what you say already.
2016-08-01 07:55 Xavi Drudis Ferran:
Btw, there's a subjective sensation I get, maybe it's just me. But the more recent discussions aren't more positive in tone than at the beginning of the campaign... if true this might be good and give hope of a new concept maturing in the public mind and a possible late but in time acceptance...
I think that there are always "nay-sayers" in the first wave of reactions, but even then, for example in the Slashdot discussion, the people were posting more positive replies for those who complaint. I was one of the first one replying positive things, but there were others who are probably "outsiders" to this list.
What's the more typical curve in crowdfunding pledges ?
Would be interesting to know, but I think that it also depends on external factors -- what gets published linking to the site, at different points of the campaign; time of the year; etc.
Did you miss July 30
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=50k-Open-Allwinner-Board-...
Yep, I was going to say the same.
My submission (I insisted) in SoylentNews is scheduled to be published later today, I think:
https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=15052
Cheers.
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On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
El Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 02:26:51AM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton deia:
yay! the slashdot article seems to have gone (still going) well - waaa took up my entire day responding to people, but it's resulted in a big jump from $52.5 to $55.2 and still going.
Take a little rest sometime. You're missing a K there, like $55.2K ($55435 already) .
oh - a big jump, yay
I see there're only 13 passthrough cards. I thought there'd be more of those and more laptops once they're on offer. It's been less than a week, though?
yeah about that.
the main thing is, those add to the MOQ of the critical computer card components - the PCMCIA assembly, USB-OTG and so on.
I have some questions on the pasthrough cards, but I haven't looked if there are answers out there already, so I'll look and ask another day in another thread if needed.
Btw, there's a subjective sensation I get, maybe it's just me. But the more recent discussions aren't more positive in tone than at the beginning of the campaign...
people who are in software libre know about it and have gone, "i'll take it!" - now it's a bit harder to explain, especially to people who have the latest and greatest intel processors.
if true this might be good and give hope of a new concept maturing in the public mind and a possible late but in time acceptance... What's the more typical curve in crowdfunding pledges ?
dip in the middle
now... the next person to poke a stick at would be michael larabel, he was so funny saying "awww darn it, you guys keep bugging me about that damn eoma68 thing, ahh i suppooose i'd better write an article theeeen"... if anyone feels so inclined, feel free to poke him with a stick again, point out that the discussion on his forum was huge (20 pages, 200 comments) and that i refer people to it all the time as the technical discussions on there are really valuable, so it gets _him_ some exposure for his site....
Did you miss July 30
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=50k-Open-Allwinner-Board-...
i wasn't aware of that - yay!
El Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 03:04:17PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton deia:
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On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
I see there're only 13 passthrough cards. I thought there'd be more of those and more laptops once they're on offer. It's been less than a week, though?
yeah about that.
the main thing is, those add to the MOQ of the critical computer card components - the PCMCIA assembly, USB-OTG and so on.
If those really add to the MOQ, and the MOQ is 250 I should warn everybody who is thinking to order some card, that now they have the chance to be the one who made the MOQ:
I read at
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop
Libre Tea Computer card (Parabola, RYF): 155 claimed Practically perfect computer card (Debian): 70 claimed Numero Uno computer card (Devuan): 5 claimed Getting ahead computer card (Fedora): 0 claimed Pass-through card: 18 claimed Total: 248 claimed
Then there's the crowdfunding goal, which is further ahead, but the cards' MOQ is already something. I guess there are MOQs for the other rewards too ?
On 08/04/2016 06:05 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran wrote:
Then there's the crowdfunding goal, which is further ahead, but the cards' MOQ is already something. I guess there are MOQs for the other rewards too ?
What about the completely assembled laptops? The campaign seems to be past 250. I think there still is a need more orders of laptop parts. There was talk about >140 being desired.
El Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 06:16:50PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) deia:
On 08/04/2016 06:05 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran wrote:
Then there's the crowdfunding goal, which is further ahead, but the cards' MOQ is already something. I guess there are MOQs for the other rewards too ?
What about the completely assembled laptops? The campaign seems to be past 250. I think there still is a need more orders of laptop parts. There was talk about >140 being desired.
I didn't know.
You mean 140 part kits (including PIY, PFY and completely assembled) or 140 completely assembled ? It seems the total laptops is now 60 . With some 74 more completely assembled laptops the campaign would pass 150000 $ or 197 PIY or 178 PFY would also do (not counting any new cards or other rewards).
If it's 140 MOQ for the laptop part kits then 9 PIY + 71 completely assembled laptops would reach 150000 $ and the 140 part kits...
I don't know, I'm just playing with numbers without much of a point.
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 5:16 PM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de wrote:
On 08/04/2016 06:05 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran wrote:
Then there's the crowdfunding goal, which is further ahead, but the cards' MOQ is already something. I guess there are MOQs for the other rewards too ?
What about the completely assembled laptops? The campaign seems to be past 250. I think there still is a need more orders of laptop parts. There was talk about >140 being desired.
the critical component there is the PCMCIA socket. if you add up the number of micro-desktop housings, laptop housings and breakout boards, the total comes to 201. so we're 80.4% of the way there on that one, too.
no, the main thing is, we couldn't have predicted the ratios that people would like to pledge for, in advance, and with a 20:1 difference betweeen highest and lowest parts it means we have to keep an eye on things and do the maths.
basically beyond a certain threshold raised it'll be really easy to complete. hard work, but we'll have the funds to do it.
also with more funds i can start considering planning ahead.
l.
Am Donnerstag, 4. August 2016, 17:52:49 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
the critical component there is the PCMCIA socket. if you add up the number of micro-desktop housings, laptop housings and breakout boards, the total comes to 201. so we're 80.4% of the way there on that one, too.
no, the main thing is, we couldn't have predicted the ratios that people would like to pledge for, in advance, and with a 20:1 difference betweeen highest and lowest parts it means we have to keep an eye on things and do the maths.
basically beyond a certain threshold raised it'll be really easy to complete. hard work, but we'll have the funds to do it.
also with more funds i can start considering planning ahead.
I do a little calculation to estimate, what will be the outcome of this campaign, and think, Luke is doing that too and is prepairing the next possible steps. But I think, it makes at this point of the campaign no sense to publish the results and speculate about the outcome
What everybody should do at this point, is in my opinion to publish about the project and think about what one can do on top. Unfortunately (in this case) I am not on facebook and twitter anymore and will not go back there. That is my way of preserving my freedom and privacy. I write on diaspora* and gnusocial.
Would it be possible to write an email to everyone who has pledged and ask them, to inform their peergroup (again) and publish about the project in the social-media they use.
In the next days i will write a blogpost on my fsfe-blog about the sense of crowdfunding, that of course will name the eoma68 project too.
Wolfgang
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Wolfgang Romey hier@wolfgangromey.de wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 4. August 2016, 17:52:49 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
the critical component there is the PCMCIA socket. if you add up the number of micro-desktop housings, laptop housings and breakout boards, the total comes to 201. so we're 80.4% of the way there on that one, too.
no, the main thing is, we couldn't have predicted the ratios that people would like to pledge for, in advance, and with a 20:1 difference betweeen highest and lowest parts it means we have to keep an eye on things and do the maths.
basically beyond a certain threshold raised it'll be really easy to complete. hard work, but we'll have the funds to do it.
also with more funds i can start considering planning ahead.
I do a little calculation to estimate, what will be the outcome of this campaign, and think, Luke is doing that too and is prepairing the next possible steps. But I think, it makes at this point of the campaign no sense to publish the results and speculate about the outcome
it's something for me to keep an eye on,
What everybody should do at this point, is in my opinion to publish about the project and think about what one can do on top. Unfortunately (in this case) I am not on facebook and twitter anymore and will not go back there. That is my way of preserving my freedom and privacy. I write on diaspora* and gnusocial.
good for you: really appreciated and respect that you do that.
Would it be possible to write an email to everyone who has pledged and ask them, to inform their peergroup (again) and publish about the project in the social-media they use.
yes -
In the next days i will write a blogpost on my fsfe-blog about the sense of crowdfunding, that of course will name the eoma68 project too.
the update for the 1080p60 video should be out by then, it would be good to mention that the CEDAR engine reverse-engineering is a high priority FSF project, and that it actually appears to have the majority of functions working and useable. it's not perfect, so can't yet be moved to the "finished" FSF page, but is close enough.
l.
ahh... joshua from crowdsupply pointed something out to me that i'd completely forgotten about: the "fully assembled laptops" include computer cards, so ahhh.... we're at 258 not 248.
*finally* we can actually celebrate reaching the MOQ of 250, unlike last time where i got it wrong with a typo. maybe i should write a computer program to screen-scrape the crowdsupply web site and generate this, ehn? :)
so, anyway, YIPPEE!
next target: MOQ of 250 for the laptops+microdesktops+breakouts.
l.
So, to clarify: if you reach the MOQ for everything but don't meet the crowdfunding goal, what happens? Is this like most other crowdfunding campaigns where you would get none of the funds, and have to contact everyone who pledged if you wanted to move forward?
And what happens if you reach the MOQ for some devices but not all?
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Jonathan Frederickson silverskullpsu@gmail.com wrote:
So, to clarify: if you reach the MOQ for everything but don't meet the crowdfunding goal, what happens? Is this like most other crowdfunding campaigns where you would get none of the funds, and have to contact everyone who pledged if you wanted to move forward?
no it isn't, because of that huge 20:1 differential. what i will do is, *at the end* of the campaign, i will do a proper and full financial analysis, and work out the options based on *what happens at the end*.
And what happens if you reach the MOQ for some devices but not all?
it's too early to get into that... because it is a scenario that might not actually happen. i'm mulling it over possibilities, but not *actively* focussing on it. instead i'm *actively* focussing on increasing awareness and on raising the number of backers.
the best thing to do is to help spread the word, especially on social media and conversations with friends, family and co-workers, as well as think of potential business opportunities, so that we reach the goal and exceed it.
that's the best use of all our time right now, i feel.
l.
El Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:27:17PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton deia:
ahh... joshua from crowdsupply pointed something out to me that i'd completely forgotten about: the "fully assembled laptops" include computer cards, so ahhh.... we're at 258 not 248.
:) Wow, how nice to be mistaken...
Sorry, I should've thought of it
so, anyway, YIPPEE!
Yeah
next target: MOQ of 250 for the laptops+microdesktops+breakouts.
Seems doable.
On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:14:11PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
the update for the 1080p60 video should be out by then,
It has been mentioned occasionally that 1366x768 is a disappointing resolution for a 15.6" laptop --- how much of the $450 ``PIY Laptop Housing Kit'' would be reusable for a different display?
Wolfram
El Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 03:03:19PM -0400, Wolfram Kahl deia:
On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:14:11PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
the update for the 1080p60 video should be out by then,
It has been mentioned occasionally that 1366x768 is a disappointing resolution for a 15.6" laptop --- how much of the $450 ``PIY Laptop Housing Kit'' would be reusable for a different display?
I think the 1366x768 is a limit of the EOMA-68 connector interface, not of the laptop display. No EOMA-68 laptop can have a better resolution unless it had a cable to plug to the HDMI output. But then this laptop would not be compatible with all possible EOMA-68 cards, only those with an optional HDMI output, so quite off-charts.
A future EOMA-200 or whatever standard might allow for higher resolutions.
Or at least that's what I understand from what I read.
But I think 1366x768 is not disappointing, and it's quite in line with the overall features. You don't get this laptop for high end features, that's for sure.
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Xavi Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.cat wrote:
A future EOMA-200 or whatever standard might allow for higher resolutions.
yeah EOMA200 you can do 4x PCIe to an external Graphics Card.
Or at least that's what I understand from what I read.
But I think 1366x768 is not disappointing, and it's quite in line with the overall features. You don't get this laptop for high end features, that's for sure.
yeah if you're a developer you get it to run off-grid, or as a low-power long-life terminal to access faster servers, that sort of thing.
l.
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Wolfram Kahl kahl@cas.mcmaster.ca wrote:
On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:14:11PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
the update for the 1080p60 video should be out by then,
It has been mentioned occasionally that 1366x768 is a disappointing resolution for a 15.6" laptop
it's surprisingly useable, plus you always have the HDMI output if you need a 2nd (dual) screen or 1920x1080.
--- how much of the $450 ``PIY Laptop Housing Kit'' would be reusable for a different display?
if you didn't want to be EOMA68 compliant, you could re-use pretty much all of it and just redo PCB1 (the main board) which has the LVDS IC on it (SN75LVDS83b) and the step-up regulator for the LCD backlight.
*HOWEVER*...
you would *NEED* to find a max 4.5 watt LCD (max 4.5 watt including backlight) otherwise you would need to redesign the Power PCB. if you redesign the Power PCB that's a massive cascade effect where you now need to redesign the entire casework....
basically this casework is like for the "average person" doing a bit of email, internet browsing, printing documents, watching films and so on. it's in *no way* suited to software development, video editing and the like.
l.
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, 4. August 2016, 18:05:16 schrieb Xavi Drudis Ferran:
If those really add to the MOQ, and the MOQ is 250 I should warn everybody who is thinking to order some card, that now they have the chance to be the one who made the MOQ:
Unfortunately I have ordered my card and the pass-through card (I have to check, if I realy have ordered that card)long ago.
Maybe I have little part of this success, as today i published this https://loadaverage.org/notice/8373415 and this https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/5095906
Wolfgang
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