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On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Allan Mwenda allanitomwesh@gmail.com wrote:
My 0.02$ Debian, Fedora and Parabola are, to be quite honest, very ethically made distributions.
sorry, allan: that's not the case. if a decision-making process is by "consensus", ignoring or overruling the wishes of *any* one person, then by definition is is unethical. there is a fundamental and in many cases pathologically-held belief that is unfortunately ingrained into western culture that "democracy" - majority voting - is acceptable. the reality is that *by definition* it's fundamentally unethical.
Sure Fedo has *cough*kernelblobs*cough* but that can be fixed very easy by swapping the standard kernel with linux-libre (You should totally do this btw) This is a change I would totally back. Systemd, cancer as it may be developed, is still free software.
the unfortunate thing that i am observing is that just because the license is libre, it doesn't necessarily result in ethical or wise decisions. i've witnessed that continually, now, for almost 20 years.
So as long as I have the freedom to get rid of it, change it, or even keep it, then it isn't worth purging.
do you know the history of hans reiser? is his software available today? given his history, if his software *was* available today, do you think anyone would want to install it and use it? why not? it's free software, right? you can change it, keep it, it's entirely under a libre license... so what's the problem?
But please Luke, don't decide for me,
allan: please do not appeal to me as if i have the right to overrule your own right to self-determination. let me be absolutely clear: i don't appreciate the implication that i have *any* right to make your decisions. i do not. sorry for having to be so blunt.
I got enough of that from Microsoft with Winblows 8. (You need some tiles in your life son!) One of the absolute biggest appeals of your cards is that they actually can run mainline everything.
yeah... except it's incomplete, hence why i will need to still ship with 3.4. people are at liberty to replace that with mainline and see how far they get. i was only able to run up until about 4.7pre1 or so without problems. i compiled over a hundred different kernels around that mark trying to find the problematic patch... ran out of time.
Please recognize this is a huge huge deal especially on a distros like Debian that actually has official ARM builds.
the official arm builds don't have support for EOMA68 because the devicetree overlays aren't part of mainline yet in a version of the mainline linux kernel that's stable on EOMA68-A20 boards.
Don't mess with it.
i don't intend to.
Stock xfce Debian please.
of course it will be stock xfce. of course it will be stock debian - just an older (and thoroughly tested) version.
the line however of systemd is not one that i can cross. you're going to have to demonstrate to me that systemd has been developed (and deployed) in a 100% ethical manner, for that to happen.
now, i have no intention of deciding anything for you. you are entirely at liberty to put whatever OS you choose onto this hardware.
the reason why i made four separate OSes is so that those people who *can't* follow instructions online to set up their own OS have something to get started from.
for those of you who *can* do that i *do* expect you to do so, and, once you've done so, to get together and help out others who can't.
i'll take responsibility for helping those people who need a prebuilt OS. if you have the technical knowledge, i expect you to take responsibility for setting up your own preferred OS.
clear?
l.