On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir@cohens.org.il> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 02:59:02PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
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> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
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> > W.r.t to logging, I've agree that you're probably better off logging to
> > RAM (or to a remote host) than to a local "disk", and AFAIK that's the
> > default behavior of systemd anyway.
>
> with the exception of fedora which has only a few backers i will NOT
> be distributing a filesystem which contains the completely
> unethically-developed and very dangerous systemd application. having
> evaluated its development, watched the predicted security
> vulnerabilities unfold and cause massive disruption, and witnessed its
> "ram it down people's throats" deployment without due consideration or
> consultation with end-users, nor the distros respecting end-users
> rights to NOT be forced into using it, i cannot and will not be
> associated or endorse such totally unethical behaviour, so will be
> removing it from all rootfs images. post-distribution, if people then
> wish to undo that because they find systemd to be useful and have no
> objections to its usage they are entirely free to do so.

I very much like systemd and can hardly see myself using a system
without it. Thus I will personally want to have systemd on my systems.
Please don't make that too difficult a task for me.

That is: you don't like systemd? fine. Installing Debian without it is
rather simple:
https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd

Please don't spread this mis-information. Installing Debian without systemd is far from simple, and many things just won't work right as systemd has become a dependency on more and more packages.

It's possible, yes, but it's not simple, not supported, and tends to leave the user debugging weird behaviours.