On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:36 PM, David Lanzendörfer david.lanzendoerfer@o2s.ch wrote:
Hi
sorry, david, but what you wrote is very unclear. for example: none of us know whom you're working for: your message gives the [probably quite wrong!] impression that you are working for allwinner.
This impression is correct. I was over there for my job interview and I'm waiting right now for my work permit in order to settle down over in Zhuhai at Allwinners headquarter in my office there.
ok, great. it would help to have that as context in advance, thank you for clarifying.
apologies this is also unclear.
Actually not.
i apologise for having to point this out, david, but if someone says "it's unclear", then, to them, it is unclear. this is not something that can be denied. again i apologise for having to point this out, but to respond "actually not" leaves the other person in a... diplomatically extremely awkward position.
i won't expand on that further, but as the list administrator who sets the rules for communication on this list, can i ask you not to do that again, please, but to take it at face value when someone says something, trust them at their word, and if you have inconvenienced them through your communication by putting them to extra trouble (for example by them having to ask you to clarify on a large number of points), apologise immediately for doing so, and work with them to correct any misunderstandings. much appreciated your cooperation on this.
I just explained that there are certain processes about other costumers (not the western ones) which prevent us internally from just jumping "yeah! let's just publish all our code! flower-power-olé!"
sorry, david, but despite a belief that you have been clear, i apologise once again but i have to reiterate that *to me* - with no context - what you have written is unclear. if it is not clear *to me*, then it is also equally unlikely to be clear to anyone else with as little information and context as i have.
to illustrate: who is "us" in this context? whom are you imagining to be making the declaration beginning with the word "yeah..."? i have no idea whom that might be.
also, i know you say "i just explained" but because there was no context, i could not understand anything of what you were explaining in your initial message. with no context for the *follow-up* message, i now have no idea of what part of your *first* message you are referring to above by "i just explained certain processes" in your *second* message.
. this is why i asked you if you could kindly rewrite everything that you wrote, making it clear and unambiguous and providing full context, so that there would be no misunderstandings by having to read the first message, then the second, then refer back to the first, then write another followup asking for more clarification, then read the third message when you write that, then re-read the first or the second depending on what remains unclear...
... you get the point? :)
so... are *you* using (and shipping) illegal license-violating binaries to "customers in China" [with some LGPL wrapper]? or is that a position statement of Allwinner, is it a position statement from the SDK developers in allwinner? sorry i have to ask because you didn't say, it's very very unclear.
... i have to warn you: if *you* are using (and shipping) illegal license-violating binaries - even with an LGPL wrapper - then you are *still* also in violation of the GPL license. and, to protect yourself (from knowingly and criminally infringing Copyright) you should cease and desist from shipping those binaries immediately, *regardless* of the consequences for your customers.
perhaps you might like to clarify matters, i apologise but i really did not understand who was represented by each of the statements that you made. it might be a good idea to re-post the entire message, clarifying the context of whom "we" is, what "the decision" is, and so on.
We are well aware of all the points you mentioned.
sorry, again, who is "we"? what is the context, what is the software being distributed, where is it being distributed from - none of this has been mentioned so it is very difficult to follow what you are saying.
We already removed VP6 from our binaries
sorry to have to point this out, but again: to whom is "we" and "our" referring, and, additionally, which binaries are being discussed?
i also assume that VP6 is sufficiently unique world-wide so as to be identifiable, but in the instance that it is not, perhaps it would help others reading this communication (now and in the future, in the archives) to provide them with a canonical reference?
and are replacing it
what is "it", here? "it" is singular but the previous sentence mentions "binaries" in the plural. is there a different binary being replaced from the ones that are referred to (but not explicitly named anywhere), in the previous sentence? or was there an error and did you mean to say "replacing them"?
with ffmpeg within our wrapper library...
to which wrapper are you referring? again, i apologise for having to point this out but there is no context here.
that's why we restructure the repository right now...
sorry, which repository are you referring to?
i'm really sorry david but in asking you to be clear, i assumed that you would understand that that means to provide unambiguous identification of organisations and individuals prior to referring to them in the immediate next sentence, and to provide canonical references to any technical keywords that others completely unfamiliar with what you are attempting to convey may not make a mistake over.
now, whilst the above may give the appearance of being pedantic, i *genuinely* cannot follow what you are trying to inform the list of, so have gone to the trouble of illustrating in each case where there is distinct ambiguity, in order to provide you with an opportunity to clarify, should you so choose.
we have, so far, established that you are planning to work for allwinner, pending a visa. other than that, it is still yet to be established who is creating wrappers (you, allwinner, or a separate group, and whether you are working with that separate group), what VP6 is, what software is being distributed (and by whom: you, allwinner, or a separate group, and whether you are working for that separate group), and much more.
additionally, although it has not been explicitly stated and made clear, through logical deduction and to a lesser extent assumption that you are knowledgeable about the GPL, i can only *infer* that you (personally) are not distributing GPL-violating software (but that you are knowingly going to work for a company that is), but other than that after two messages i am left with very little else that is concrete and clear to me, for which, again, i must apologise, and invite you to help correct.
l.