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From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <<a href="mailto:lkcl@lkcl.net">lkcl@lkcl.net</a>><br>
To: Eco-Concscious Computing <<a href="mailto:arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk">arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.<wbr>uk</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] GR8 based EOMA68 card<br>
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ismo, hi,<br>
<br>
it was just too tempting to have an initial go at converting the<br>
CHIP_PRO_v1 schematic and PCB into a version of an EOMA68-GR8 card,<br>
deliberately cutting it down to the absolute basic minimum - after<br>
only about 6 hours i'm pretty much done connecting everything<br>
together, having cut/paste bits and pieces over:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/gr8/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/<wbr>gr8/</a><br>
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those are exported from PADS into 9.0 ASCII format if you want to take a look.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sweet, thanks. Just imported these to Altium. </div><div>Actually noticed that the Allegro .brd import in to Altium needs Allegro installed to function. </div><div>The imported layout looks like this: <a href="https://i.imgur.com/uPmEsQb.png">https://i.imgur.com/uPmEsQb.png</a><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
importing from ORCAD/Allegro doesn't half make a dog's dinner of<br>
things... *sigh*...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It so does. None of the component parameters for the passives carried over in the import. </div><div>The component values imported as separate strings for the passives, at least the cases are OK.</div><div>Of course, the mentioned cases don't exist. So that needs some additional work. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
anyway it's the *absolute* absolute bare minimum. TV-out, gone,<br>
HP/MIC, gone. OTG, gone. NAND, gone. SDC2 is connected to a MicroSD<br>
slot, SDC0 is connected to EOMA68. SPI2 is connected to EOMA68 so in<br>
theory could also be used as bootable media (factory-install purposes<br>
only). boot is basically from on-board MicroSD, that can be<br>
over-ridden if people want to by using a Housing MicroSD card (if the<br>
Housing *has* one).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's OK with me. More space to use for potential future expansion. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
the layout's hilarious: the PCB is over 50% completely empty. what i<br>
haven't done is:<br>
<br>
(1) complete the tracks / connections<br>
(2) add a VCC-3V3 power plane or other power planes. god did ORCAD<br>
make a mess... *sigh*.<br>
(3) convert any of the 0201 components to 0402 (for goodness sake<br>
don't use 0201 components!)<br>
(4) sort out any tracks as a result of 0201 conversions<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ya 0402 is a lot more sane to deal with than 0201. <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
(5) re-add the copper pours for the power outputs from the inductors<br>
(to the AXP209).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This and in general figure out the power stuff. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
(6) do a full review to check that the dog's dinner mess made by ORCAD<br>
hasn't split some of the NETs. PADs doesn't support multi-named nets.<br>
i found one (and joined them) but there may be others.<br>
(7) sync'd PADS schematic and PCB so that a proper NETLIST review could be done.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's gona be FUN mating the CHIP Pro schematic files with that layout. Absolute joy. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
remember that this *really is* the bare minimum - it'll be amazingly<br>
an under $10 BOM. also that if you _did_ want to add HP and/or TV-out<br>
and/or MIC sockets, as well as OTG.... you can't: there's not enough<br>
room on the connector, not and have MicroSD as well. so you can do 3<br>
out of 4 of those connectors but not all.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'll fully decide on this later on, USB+Video would allow for standalone use. </div><div>And sort-of usable while standalone is aligned with the spirit of the EOMA68 standard (or how I see it at least). </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
also bear in mind that there's a couple of tabs on the Litkconn<br>
casework that fit *just* either side of the MicroSD, whch make it damn<br>
awkward to fit the MicroSD anywhere but directly in the middle of the<br>
end of the Card.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Where can I find datasheets, drawings or 3d models for the Litckonn cases? </div><div>Can I buy a few sample units from somewhere for fiddling around?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
also bear in mind that finding mid-mount 2.5in and 3.5in multi-pin<br>
jacks is a complete bitch. i *might* have one supplier (who speaks<br>
chinese only) who *might* be able to help, there (Runde).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm perfectly OK with deleting the sound input/output. </div><div>Just a shame to leave the sound hardware unused when it exists. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
so - what ya wanna do? do you want to take over this layout/schematic<br>
from here and go with it? if you leave it as-is it should be easy to<br>
finish within a matter of 2-3 weeks, which means that it's potentially<br>
possible to add to the upcoming (2nd) planned crowdfunding campaign...<br>
or you could run your own.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>More or less regardless of crowdfunding or anything I'll continue doing work on my vision of what a GR8 based EOMA68 card would be. </div><div>But my progress won't be fast as I'm working full time and doing the same stuff at home as I do at work is not attractive every single day. </div><div>A low cost alternative for low powered embedded applications might also be attractive to some folks and in general for testing and debugging housings. </div><div> </div><div>On an other note, replying to this list while it's in digest mode is a bit weird. I might have to change it from digest to the individual message style and hope that gmail is good enough at clumping the threads. </div><div><br></div><div>-Ismo / 2ftg</div></div></div></div>