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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/10/2017 02:23 PM, Bill Kontos
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Luke
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now that i think about it, i believe i heard of something
about 20<br>
years ago called the humanist society (or something like
that).<br>
apparently they live their lives according to a really
quite [humane]<br>
wonderful "code"... just without the bits about "god"
attached.<br>
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so i'd say definitively yes, you can... it's just that
you'd have to<br>
choose to do so, and that can be really tough, to
research, assess and<br>
then make the decision to adhere to a particular code. it
means<br>
making changes in your life which might cost you friends,
your job<br>
(because the company asks you to do something that is
against your<br>
newly-chosen "code")...<br>
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<div>Exactly this. I always prefer to do something by
choice. Being manipulated is the one thing that I hate the
most in life. But this takes time, and I have come to a
very similar conclusion to this society you are talking
about, that following 95% of the Christian ethics is a
good idea because it makes for the most benefit for the
society as a total. But I find having to believe that god
exists and he will punish me for not following these
ethics in order to be able follow them utterly pointless.</div>
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Well, I would say its not about, following these ethics perfectly,
it is impossible to do so.<br>
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I would say the act of trying to be a good person and being faithful
to him for the goodness he gives you is more important than always
obeying especially if your heart is far from him. That's just my
thought.<br>
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Punishment in particular though is something he gives to arrogant
people who defy him while pretending to obey.<br>
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the current conservative party in America is an example of the
pharisees from the bible.<br>
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They have nothing to look forward to that's a fact. Though they
reject such possibilities in their heart bitterly and cling to their
evil thoughts.<br>
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To be honest, even atheists have a better chance of getting into
heaven than those false teachers.<br>
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Though both sides if they don't repent at some point, are lost.<br>
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This is my understanding of what hell is for. Not for the average
person, but for those who pretend they are good and really are the
opposite. to sum it up, hypocrisy. <br>
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Life is a challenge but hypocrisy is unneeded.<br>
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