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On March 7, 2017 5:20:50 PM PST, Hendrik Boom <hendrik@topoi.pooq.com> wrote:<br>
>On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:39:46 +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:<br>
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>> just go with the image that i have been working with and testing over<br>
>> the past two years. it's using xfce4 (gnome is too heavy). i know<br>
>it<br>
>> works, and i simply don't have the time - or importantly the energy -<br>
>to<br>
>> create a new image, *especially* based on people's comments and<br>
>> reactions that they'd be deeply unhappy with it not being a "stock<br>
>> image", even if all i did was make it boot sysvinit instead by<br>
>default. <br>
>> those comments *alone* immediately terminate all and any possibility<br>
>> that i can provide debian/jessie in a 100% ethical way.<br>
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>Do the same you did with Debian, only use Devuan aand the Devuan <br>
>installer. It will likely just work, and you won;t need to expunge <br>
>systemd.<br>
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>Sell it as a Devuan system.<br>
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>You can still make a stock Debian available if your customers demand<br>
>it.<br>
>But by providing Devuan you won't be pushing systemd on those that<br>
>don't <br>
>want it. Your conscience can be somewhat clearer.<br>
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I agree with this approach. Trying to single-handedly remove systemd from an otherwise maintained distro is targeting a symptom without mitigating the cause, and could break things that people expect to work. Devuan is a *great* solution for anyone wanting to get Debian without systemd, and there's no need to duplicate effort.<br>
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However, it is IMO too late to pivot to this solution as the cards have been tested on a specific image and changing that would invalidate years of costly testing. Plus, the bigger problem we have is that these cards can't be updated to current Debian *at all* because of a kernel bug.<br>
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That is why this is a somewhat limited run AFAIK and it's worth it to note Luke doesn't and can't have customers according to what he says. I find it likely the eventual distributor of mass-market cards will simply sell Debian as-is.<br>
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