<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-10-12 4:54 GMT+02:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lkcl@lkcl.net" target="_blank">lkcl@lkcl.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-">On 10/11/16, Wookey <<a href="mailto:wookey@wookware.org">wookey@wookware.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 2016-10-11 19:11 +0200, Paul Boddie wrote:<br>
<br>
</span><span class="gmail-">> I don't really know about the pine people specifically, but having<br>
> recently met with a guy from Allwinner (who is paying Luke to educate<br>
> his engineers :-)<br>
<br>
</span>correction / misunderstanding: he's not.<br>
<span class="gmail-"><br>
> They have noticed the persistent bad press/poor reputation and have<br>
> understood that what geeks think does actually matter in the long<br>
> term, as does upstreaming.<br>
<br>
</span>well, it's about to get a hell of a lot worse. i flew 20,000 miles<br>
round the world, was invited here to speak with their engineers, help<br>
them out, set up a FusionForge for them, make it possible for them to<br>
present the R-Series processors to open hardware and software libre<br>
people across the world, even present the idea of using RISC-V and<br>
Nyuzi 3D for a future processor...<br>
<br>
... and i learn the day after that from being on their premises for<br>
only five hours i've been accused of being here to commit industrial<br>
espionage, to steal their proprietary source code.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I bet you wished you met them on neutral ground. Someone there is got very antsy with your arrival on their turf. </div><div><br></div><div>Like Frank Herbert wrote "Show me a completely smooth operation and I'll show you someone who's covering mistakes. Real boats rock."</div><div><br></div><div>An you just got bitten by the one covering mistakes.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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now, from 20 years experience i know that i cannot work with engineers<br>
who do not welcome what i have to say or contribute. in this case i<br>
cannot even be in the building because there is the opportunity that<br>
if someone else *does* actually commit industrial espionage, they<br>
might accuse *me* - and the person who invited me into the building -<br>
of being the one that stole the code.<br>
<br>
this from the company that's been stealing software libre source and<br>
profiting with complete disregard or respect for the people whose work<br>
they critically rely on.<br>
<br>
i'm really upset.<br>
<br>
i'll be leaving zhuhai either today or tomorrow.<br>
<br>
if they apologise i'll come back.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I hope they do but I doubt they will (be able to). Luckily the A20 is available on the open market. But I guess some suppliers will be steered.</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck. And don't forget to breathe.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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irony is that i need somewhere to live for myself and my family, and<br>
zhuhai looks like it's the best place to be.<br>
<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
l.<br>
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