Hello , guys I just joined this mailing list so thought should give an intro , after unprecedented demand of the raspberry pi boards, I dug deep into the possibility of using the idea of allwinner-a10 soc in third world and emerging economies of South Asia as an educational tool.<div>
<br></div><div>Coming from the same background I really understand the how far this idea can go much ahead than all the other boards .</div><div>The way I look at it Panda/Beaglebone boards came from the idea of audrino board which came from the commodore .... then raspberry pi which is exactly idea from the beagle board but half the price.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now it will the allwinner based board which hopefully we could pull down to the price of $20 if not $15.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyways thats it for and I will definitely be delighted to part of the nascent group and will be willing to contribute whatever I could.</div>
<div><br></div><div><div>Best Wishes;</div><div>Adi</div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:00 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arm-netbook-request@lists.phcomp.co.uk">arm-netbook-request@lists.phcomp.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Re: Mele box group on counting (Oliver Kiddle)<br>
2. Re: Mele box group on counting (Alejandro Mart?nez)<br>
3. Re: ARM SoC with OpenCL GPU : Exynos 4412 (was Re: SoC<br>
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4. Re: Mele a1000 Internals Question? (Philip Hands)<br>
5. Fwd: Auto-discard notification (lkcl luke)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:55:41 +0000 (GMT)<br>
From: Oliver Kiddle <<a href="mailto:okiddle@yahoo.co.uk">okiddle@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Mele box group on counting<br>
To: Linux on small ARM machines <<a href="mailto:arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk">arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk</a>><br>
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--- On Thu, 1/3/12, Alejandro Mery <<a href="mailto:amery@geeks.cl">amery@geeks.cl</a>> wrote:<br>
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> FYI: the rest can get it now at<br>
> <a href="http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet-tv-set-top-box-w-wifi-optical-3-x-usb-hdmi-av-lan-sd-119913" target="_blank">http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet-tv-set-top-box-w-wifi-optical-3-x-usb-hdmi-av-lan-sd-119913</a><br>
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Nice, so it comes with a remote and you can stuff a 2.5" hard disc in the top. I had been thinking of getting a Raspberry Pi for XBMC use but this could be better.<br>
<br>
I've been following the discussion here but I'm no hardware expert. To get Debian on it would I need to solder onto the internal UART? Is there any sort of open source support for the hardware video decoding - if that's related to the GPU then I can't find any mention on <a href="http://limadriver.org" target="_blank">limadriver.org</a>? Does the A10 support hard float and Debian armhf? Does the Mele box just boot from the SD card such that there's no danger of bricking it?<br>
<br>
What is the processor clock speed? Deal extreme states ARM CortexA8 1GHz but if it is A10 based then from the rhombus-tech wiki, it would be 1.5GHz.<br>
<br>
I don't suppose anyone has any experience with using USB DVB-S2 tuners on ARM or Linux in general?<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Oliver<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:19:22 +0100<br>
From: Alejandro Mart?nez <<a href="mailto:zen@itram.es">zen@itram.es</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Mele box group on counting<br>
To: Linux on small ARM machines <<a href="mailto:arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk">arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk</a>><br>
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>From what I know from having an A10 tablet (still don't have my Mele here):<br>
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On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Oliver Kiddle <<a href="mailto:okiddle@yahoo.co.uk">okiddle@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I've been following the discussion here but I'm no hardware expert. To get Debian on it would I need to solder onto the internal UART?<br>
<br>
I believe the internal UART and USBs have a socket on them, so not<br>
much soldering required. The USB is a gadget USB so you can use ADB to<br>
alter/upload files. But probably booting from the SD you don't need to<br>
use the USB.<br>
<br>
UART is only required for the serial console. If we get framebuffer<br>
console working there's not much need for it.<br>
<br>
> Is there any sort of open source support for the hardware video decoding - if that's related to the GPU then I can't find any mention on <a href="http://limadriver.org" target="_blank">limadriver.org</a>? Does the A10 support hard float and Debian armhf?<br>
<br>
I don't know the exact answers to those questions. But I believe<br>
everything we need is on the Android and the kernel sources.<br>
<br>
>Does the Mele box just boot from the SD card such that there's no danger of bricking it?<br>
<br>
The bootloader it will skip internal NAND and go to the SD with the<br>
scripts that Tom made us. If we get the firmware image it has a FEL<br>
fallback mode that you can *always* flash on using Windows + Livesuit<br>
through USB.<br>
<br>
><br>
> What is the processor clock speed? Deal extreme states ARM CortexA8 1GHz but if it is A10 based then from the rhombus-tech wiki, it would be 1.5GHz.<br>
<br>
If I'm not wrong, on my tablet it is 1ghz.<br>
><br>
> I don't suppose anyone has any experience with using USB DVB-S2 tuners on ARM or Linux in general?<br>
<br>
The x86 drivers might just work... but not sure about that.<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:44:00 -0600<br>
From: Bari Ari <<a href="mailto:bari@onelabs.com">bari@onelabs.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] ARM SoC with OpenCL GPU : Exynos 4412 (was<br>
Re: SoC proposal)<br>
To: Linux on small ARM machines <<a href="mailto:arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk">arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk</a>><br>
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Thank you for the contacts.<br>
I contacted the local rep about the 4412, and I've only heard on the<br>
sounds of crickets so far.<br>
<br>
-Bari<br>
<br>
On 03/01/2012 04:10 AM, Guillaume Fortaine wrote:<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
><br>
>> i've not mentioned this before, publicly, but some time last year when<br>
>> this initiative was still being considered we were finding it so<br>
>> ridiculously difficult to find cooperative CPU companies that we gave<br>
>> serious consideration to putting a deal together to create a new<br>
>> (entirely software-based) SoC that would be entirely FSF-Endorseable<br>
>> as it would be entirely software-programmable.<br>
> After having read many proposals on this mailing-list, I would greatly<br>
> appreciate to make my recommendation, if possible, please. On my side,<br>
> I would strongly advise to have a look at the Samsung Exynos 4412.<br>
><br>
> Because, Samsung is not only a member of Linaro :<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.linaro.org" target="_blank">http://www.linaro.org</a><br>
><br>
> But also, their Exynos 4412 will be the first ARM SoC with OpenCL<br>
> support thanks to its Mali-T604 GPU :<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t604.php" target="_blank">http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t604.php</a><br>
><br>
> It will be available in Q3 2012 and Insignal will provide the<br>
> corresponding development kit :<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.linaro.org/assets/PDF/LinaroOrigenLowCostBoard.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.linaro.org/assets/PDF/LinaroOrigenLowCostBoard.pdf</a><br>
><br>
> Mister Dosung Lee will be able to provide you more informations about<br>
> this chip :<br>
><br>
> D.S. Lee (???)<br>
> Director<br>
> Marketing 1 Group<br>
> System LSI Division, Semiconductor Business<br>
> Samsung Electronics CO.,LTD<br>
><br>
> Tel. <a href="tel:%2B82-31-209-1618" value="+82312091618">+82-31-209-1618</a><br>
> Fax. <a href="tel:%2B82-31-209-1919" value="+82312091919">+82-31-209-1919</a><br>
> Mobile. <a href="tel:%2B82-10-9899-0932" value="+821098990932">+82-10-9899-0932</a><br>
> Email. <a href="mailto:dosung.lee@samsung.com">dosung.lee@samsung.com</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Best Regards,<br>
><br>
> Guillaume FORTAINE<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:58 PM, lkcl luke <<a href="mailto:luke.leighton@gmail.com">luke.leighton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> folks, hi,<br>
>><br>
>> i've not mentioned this before, publicly, but some time last year when<br>
>> this initiative was still being considered we were finding it so<br>
>> ridiculously difficult to find cooperative CPU companies that we gave<br>
>> serious consideration to putting a deal together to create a new<br>
>> (entirely software-based) SoC that would be entirely FSF-Endorseable<br>
>> as it would be entirely software-programmable.<br>
>><br>
>> based around something like the ARC 32-bit RISC core (which was a hell<br>
>> of a lot better than ARM's offerings at the time), the idea was to put<br>
>> at least 4 of them down in 28nm, where they would quite happily run at<br>
>> at least 1.5ghz.<br>
>><br>
>> the problem was that ARC's RISC core design wasn't SMP capable, and<br>
>> the team behind it didn't feel comfortable doing SMP cache coherency.<br>
>> we _did_ come up with a mad and very simple scheme to do cache<br>
>> coherency as a software interrupt (similar to how MMU page-swapping is<br>
>> done) and even discussed it on LKML thanks to alan cox and some input<br>
>> from another guy from intel, it turns out to have been a workable<br>
>> scheme.<br>
>><br>
>> ... but, we didn't pursue it.<br>
>><br>
>> some time last month i went "hang on a minute, maybe now's a better<br>
>> time" so i've done a draft of the interfaces (DDR3 RAM will be<br>
>> included) the number of pins required is surprisingly low, which will<br>
>> get the cost down.<br>
>><br>
>> i'd therefore greatly appreciate some help reviewing the pinouts. the<br>
>> company that i've found that has an alternative 32-bit RISC core not<br>
>> only has SMP cache coherency already done, but also they have an<br>
>> absolutely amazing set of Instruction extensions, including DSP,<br>
>> Audio, Video, Base-band (for RF handset processing) and much more.<br>
>> the plan is, therefore, to target this CPU at a very very wide range<br>
>> of markets, based on it having:<br>
>><br>
>> * 8 CPUs at 1.2ghz or above<br>
>> * SMP Cache Coherency<br>
>> * 32-bit DDR3 1333mhz RAM (with a 2nd version having 2 DDR3 interfaces)<br>
>> * virtually everything software-programmable (with the exception of<br>
>> CABAC decode)<br>
>><br>
>> meaning that it will do 3D graphics _and_ 1080p Video entirely in<br>
>> software. the interfaces i've selected so far will include:<br>
>><br>
>> * HDMI Out _and_ In<br>
>> * 24-pin RGB/TTL<br>
>> * 2-channel LVDS<br>
>> * 2 PCIe (2-lane each)<br>
>> * USB-OTG, USB-2 and USB-3<br>
>> * SATA-3<br>
>> * NAND controller (8-bit with 4-way CS)<br>
>> * 3 SD/MMC interfaces<br>
>> * 3 SPI interfaces<br>
>> * 3 UARTs, 3 IIC interfaces, CAN-Bus, 2 PS/2, Touchscreen, 3 PWMs<br>
>> * 2 MPEG Transport Stream Interfaces<br>
>> * Smartcard Interface<br>
>><br>
>> that means that it could be used in at least the following products:<br>
>><br>
>> * Laptops, Netbooks, Tablets, Desktops, PCs, NAS-Boxes<br>
>> * PVRs, TVs, Set-Top Boxes, Satellite Decoders<br>
>> * Smartphones, Base Stations, GNU/Radio SDR Products<br>
>><br>
>> bearing in mind that this will be out some time in middle of 2013, if<br>
>> it's started soon, i could reallly do with some help reviewing the<br>
>> interfaces and capabilities, to make sure i've got it right.<br>
>><br>
>> tia,<br>
>><br>
>> l.<br>
>><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:50:28 +0000<br>
From: Philip Hands <<a href="mailto:phil@hands.com">phil@hands.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] Mele a1000 Internals Question?<br>
To: lkcl luke <<a href="mailto:luke.leighton@gmail.com">luke.leighton@gmail.com</a>>, Linux on small ARM machines<br>
<<a href="mailto:arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk">arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk</a>><br>
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:10:14 +0000, lkcl luke <<a href="mailto:luke.leighton@gmail.com">luke.leighton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > what about automatically notifying changes on the irc channel?<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://mueller.panopticdev.com/2011/08/supybot-git-ircbot-plugin-for-git.html" target="_blank">http://mueller.panopticdev.com/2011/08/supybot-git-ircbot-plugin-for-git.html</a><br>
> <a href="https://github.com/typester/github-ircbot-perl" target="_blank">https://github.com/typester/github-ircbot-perl</a><br>
<br>
I decided on making use of CIA.vc (which seems popular among debian folk,<br>
and doesn't require more than a hook that sends an email to the, where<br>
they then run the bot for us).<br>
<br>
That being the case, you'll notice that there's now a CIA-46 nick<br>
pouring comments into the channel.<br>
<br>
The CIA page for the project is here: <a href="http://cia.vc/stats/project/rhombus-tech" target="_blank">http://cia.vc/stats/project/rhombus-tech</a><br>
<br>
although that doesn't really add anything that's not already in the<br>
history and Recent Changes on the site -- BTW I just enabled page<br>
history links into git -- if that was off on purpose, either turn it off<br>
again, or say so and I'll do it.<br>
<br>
There was some discussion of whether the stuff put into the IRC channel<br>
should include a URL -- I'm not sure what url would be most useful, and<br>
the only way I see of doing it is to pretend that the file changed is<br>
instead the URL you want, which is likely to discard some information.<br>
<br>
Given that you can (if intrigued by a change mentioned by CIA) go to the<br>
<a href="http://rhombus-tech.net" target="_blank">rhombus-tech.net</a> site, click Recent Changes, and then click the change<br>
in question, I'm tempted to leave it as it is.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Phil.<br>
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 18:51:24 +0000<br>
From: lkcl luke <<a href="mailto:luke.leighton@gmail.com">luke.leighton@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Arm-netbook] Fwd: Auto-discard notification<br>
To: Linux on small ARM machines <<a href="mailto:arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk">arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk</a>><br>
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arokux, hi, thanks for the encouragement and the suggestions. please<br>
do consider subscribing and also join #arm-netbook on<br>
<a href="http://irc.freenode.net" target="_blank">irc.freenode.net</a>. i've updated the orders page.<br>
<br>
yes, this is effectively a "meta-" project so we're not tied to one<br>
particular processor: we're reaching out to all and any SoC vendors<br>
who happen to have a decent price/performance ratio for SoCs that have<br>
ethernet, SATA, HDMI etc.<br>
<br>
it's a pity that the (credit-card-sized) raspberry pi is not<br>
conformant to the (credit-card-sized) EOMA-68 initiative. the<br>
raspberry pi developers also tried some bullying tactics on their<br>
forums when people began talking about the rhombus tech idea.<br>
<br>
also, several free software people have noted that the chosen CPU is<br>
actually powered by its proprietary GPU, and that broadcom haven't<br>
released the source code for the GPU. including for the boot<br>
sequence. so the entire project which is supposed to be "educational"<br>
is entirely at the mercy of broadcom's proprietary licensing and<br>
whims.<br>
<br>
unfortunately they appear to be successfully pulling the wool over<br>
everyone's eyes.<br>
<br>
anyway - by defining a standard we don't actually care what SoC is in<br>
the product(s). and the products actually get massively simplified,<br>
down to a 4-layer or with care even a 2-layer board. even i could<br>
knock up an I/O board for a product, using KiCAD :)<br>
<br>
ok, rrright. so. would you like to write the "get involved" page? :)<br>
<br>
let me just create a stub...<br>
<br>
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Cc:<br>
Date:?Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:52:09 +0100<br>
Subject:?Excited about the project and more<br>
Hi all,<br>
<br>
thanks to the comments under news about Raspberry Pi I have learned<br>
about this project. And I have got very excited about it. I really<br>
liked the fact, that this hardware (do not know how to reference it by<br>
name) will be completely open, which R-Pi is not. I've carefully read<br>
most Wiki web pages, which was not that easy. I am more a software<br>
guy.<br>
<br>
I think the project will be much better off if there will be a page<br>
"Get Involved". It should describe what kind of tasks could be done<br>
and what qualification is needed for them. I think, the lower the<br>
barrier to start working on the project the more people will help. For<br>
example I would like to help and I am a software developer but what<br>
could I do?<br>
<br>
Next thing is the preorder page:<br>
<a href="http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/orders/" target="_blank">http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/orders/</a> Currently 354 people<br>
have registered already. It is much more than 30, so how much will the<br>
device cost now? I think it is important to keep this information up<br>
to date, as the lower price the more people will register.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Arokux<br>
<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 18:55:29 +0000<br>
From: lkcl luke <<a href="mailto:luke.leighton@gmail.com">luke.leighton@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Arm-netbook] getting involved page<br>
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ok we had a suggestion to create a "getting involved" page, so here it is:<br>
<a href="http://rhombus-tech.net/getting_involved/" target="_blank">http://rhombus-tech.net/getting_involved/</a><br>
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and... oops, it's blank. would anyone like to just... throw random<br>
stuff on it? knock yourselves out :)<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Best Wishes;<br>Adi<br>
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