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At the electronics shows i discussed this point with another company
about getting source code and mention the problems we have been having
... and they said 99% time in China you won't get source code as they
have put all that time and money into getting their hardware to work
with linux ..... and this particular company did actually release the
source code to their customer after an NDA was signed .... <br>
<br>
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
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id="mid_z2iced5f0f61004210733y6e97efcbt5774907c1957a877_mail_gmail_com"
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<pre wrap="">also on the webcam: again, it is simply not true. the problems that
they have encountered are nothing to do with the hardware, the
problems are because they are not releasing the source code in order
for people to fix the problem _for_ them.
we know what needs to be done - and they are preventing that from being done.
the hardware is _perfectly_ capable of dealing with the OV776 cameras.
l.
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<pre wrap=""> looks positive.
we need to pick up on them that restricting people on their personal
choice of 3G modem would NOT be a problem if they provided the linux
source code.
by restricting that, they are <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span
class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>stopping<span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> potential customers from
buying the machine.
l.
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<br>
<u><b>1. OS and Linux Kernal Source Code</b></u><br>
a) I demonstated my 8.9 inch netbook's ability to run Debian Lenny OS
installed instead of mid-fun OS. We were able to install the OS by <br>
reverse engineering the SO-DIMM by measuring the pin outs, referring to
generic source code and looking at the mid-fun OS. Unfortunately <br>
progress has been very slow indeed as we have had trouble knowing where
the pin outs on the SO-DIMM go - and at the moment Debian OS only
partially works as we have not been able to reverse engineer all the
hardware on the netbook yet. So we have months to go without the <br>
original Linux Kernal Source Code to help us.<br>
b) We have asked for the Linux Kernal Source Code from you. I know from
the meeting that this is a difficuly issue to deal with - and we <br>
understand fully your issues of other factories copying what you have
done. But you have to bear in mind that your Linux Kernal will only
work <br>
with exacly your mother board configuration and all the hardware on it
.... I don't really see that you will have a problem of other factories
<br>
copying, as I think they will have difficulty replicating exactly what
you have done.<br>
c) We are offering to help you to improve the Linux Kernal Source Code
- there are many bugs in the system like the web cam not working,<br>
LAN connection problems, other network issues, touch pad issues and a
few others - the details of which can be seen in the bugs reports at
the <br>
end of this email.<br>
d) With your Linux Kernal Source Code improved by our team of Linux
Experts you will have a really fantastic netbook which you will have
the option of offering your future customers several options of OS
including mid-fun, Debian, Ubuntu and Android ...
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><font color="#ff0000"><font face="宋体"
size="2">sorry,about source code, let me discuss with my collegue and
need some times.it is difficult i think.</font><br>
</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><u><b>2. SO-DIM</b></u><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">a) We mentioned that we are making our
own improved SO-DIM which will be compatible with your motherboard -
our design will use S5PC110 or maybe your suggestion of S5PV210
processor.<br>
b) What do you think about using Freescale iMX51 as the processor for
the SO-DIMM? <font color="#ff0000"> iMax51 is a good chipset,but it
need USD21.0(with his PMU )<br>
</font>c) Our version will also have a micro SD slot for hard drive,
512MB RAM, Nand flash 2GB<br>
d) Please supply the data sheet of the SO-DIMM so we can work out where
each pin outs goes to <font color="#ff0000">OK<br>
</font>e) Please supply a few blank SO-DIMM's (and SO-DIMM sockets)
which we can then send to our engineers so they can finish their
design based on your SO-DIM <font color="#ff0000">OK<br>
</font>f) If you can supply some spare working SO-DIMM's that would be
also very helpful for us also. <font color="#ff0000">OK</font></p>
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<div> </div>
<div><font color="#ff0000">I can give you the scheme of my hardware
for your reference.</font></div>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><u><b>3. Web Cam</b></u><br>
a) Our Linux eperts in the UK and Europe know exactly why the web cam
cannot work for online applications. It's to do with the Linux Kernal <br>
Source Code not communicating correctly with the hardware - this is
something we could easliy fix for you if we had the Linux Kernal Source
<br>
Code from you. <font color="#ff0000">Our web cam is running but
couldn't work for online applications,It needs to add communication
protocol stack in linux kernel.but because low computing capability
of SAMSUNG's chipset ,we are going to do it on our next cortex A9
platform.<br>
</font>b) Please supply some samples of web cam to us - the ones you
intend to use with the netbook <font color="#ff0000">OK, I will call
some samples for you.<br>
</font>c) What is the make & model number of the web cam.<font
face="宋体" size="2"> <font color="#ff0000">camera module number is
ov366 and using OV sensor.</font></font><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><u><b>4. VGA Chip</b></u><br>
a) It was mentioned in the meeting that the VGA would be included in
the orders as part of a standard configuration <font color="#0000ff"> </font><font
color="#ff0000">OK,It is no problem.<br>
</font>b) What is the make and model number of the VGA chip? <font
color="#ff0000">CH7026<br>
</font>c) On the 20 samples, some netbooks had VGA chip and some did
not! <font color="#ff0000">even has VGA chipset ,no porting in driver
.<br>
</font><b><u><br>
5. GPS chipset</u></b><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">a) What is the make & model number
of the GPS chipset? <font color="#0000ff"><br>
</font>b) What is the additional cost to have this option? </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><font color="#0000ff"><font
color="#ff0000">In the future,we wouldn't design GPS function into
this board,sorry</font>.</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
<u><b>6. Modems</b></u><br>
a) Need specs and pricing for a PCIe 3G/HSDPA modem <font
color="#0000ff"> </font><font color="#ff0000">USD47.00(Huawei
brand,WCDMA)<br>
</font>b) Need specs and pricing for a PCIe EDGE/GPRS modem <font
color="#0000ff"> </font><font color="#ff0000">Currently,we have not
these modems<br>
</font>c) USB on netbook will need to recognize USB 3G modem <font
color="#ff0000">all right,but must it is a specific module number.<br>
</font>d) USB will need to recognize 3G/GPRS mobile phone to USB
cable - I <font color="#ff0000">all right,It has OTG <font face="宋体"
size="2"> or host <font size="3">function</font></font><br>
</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><b><u>7. WI-FI</u></b><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
It was mentioned there are two options for WI-FI - PCIe and WI-FI
chipset.<br>
a) What is the make and model number of the WI-FI chipset? <font
color="#0000ff"><font color="#ff0000">Realink / RT2070</font><br>
</font><u><b><br>
8. RJ45</b></u><br>
<br>
a) The adaptor for LAN connection will be improved - we had several
failures due to bad contact connection as the dongle was far too heavy <br>
and loose connection.<br>
b) One of our experts has noticed that some components on the
motherboard for LAN are not correct or missing <br>
</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000" face="宋体" size="2">thank you very much,we
will improve this function.</font></p>
<font color="#0000ff"> </font>
<p><font color="#0000ff"><br>
</font><strong><u>9. 3G SIM card slot<br>
</u></strong><br>
<br>
a) You gave us two samples of the 3G sim card slot. We may need to get
samples for the other 20 netbooks we purchased before. <font
color="#0000ff"><font color="#ff0000">ok, we can supply to you.</font><br>
</font>b) Is this now a a standard item in the netbook? <font
color="#ff0000">yes, it is standard slot.<br>
</font><br>
<u><b>10. More samples of Samsung 8.9" netbook</b></u><br>
<br>
We may be interested in more samples of the netbook. Please quote for
samples price. Can we have the same sample price as we were buying for
the 20 sets we purchased at Chinese New Year?<br>
</p>
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<p><font color="#ff0000" face="宋体" size="2">yes,the same price for
you,when do you need these samples?</font></p>
<p><br>
<strong><u>11. Mass production unit cost of Samsung 8.9" netbook</u></strong><br>
<br>
<br>
We will discuss this more once we have a de-bugged kernal. In the
meeting you indicated for MOQ 1K, the unit cost is USD 112.00 and for<br>
20K around USD 100.00.</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000"><font face="宋体" size="2">YES!!</font><br>
</font><br>
<u><b>12. Bug reports </b></u><br>
<br>
Here is a lot of feedback with issues with the 8.9" netbook:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://elinux.org/CT-PC89E_Bugs" moz-do-not-send="true">http://elinux.org/CT-PC89E_Bugs</a><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><font color="#ff0000" face="宋体"
size="2">Thank you very much,we will follow up these bugs.</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><font color="#0000ff"><br>
</font><u><b>13. OS, Firmware, and Unfinished reverse engineered
source code</b></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://elinux.org/CT-PC89E_Debian_Installer_Building"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://elinux.org/CT-PC89E_Debian_Installer_Building</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://elinux.org/CT-PC89E_SO-DIMM" moz-do-not-send="true">http://elinux.org/CT-PC89E_SO-DIMM</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://lkcl.net/arm_systems/CT-PC89E/ct-pc89e-firmware.tgz"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://lkcl.net/arm_systems/CT-PC89E/ct-pc89e-firmware.tgz</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://lkcl.net/arm_systems/CT-PC89E/mmcblk0p1.bz2"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://lkcl.net/arm_systems/CT-PC89E/mmcblk0p1.bz2</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://arm-netbook.alioth.debian.org/dists/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://arm-netbook.alioth.debian.org/dists/</a><br>
<br>
<u><b>14. YouTube videos of 8.9" netbook</b></u><br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_SlGTNj4vY"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_SlGTNj4vY</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzzUj8VM1nE"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzzUj8VM1nE</a><br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbsydsar5Pk"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbsydsar5Pk</a><br>
<br>
If you decide to send us some blank and working SO-DIMMS/SO-DIMM
connectors, and Linux Kernal Source Code, then please send to my
address below.<br>
<br>
We really hope we can make some progress now!<br>
<br>
With best regards,<br>
Adam Gill<br>
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