From franck at sinimale.fr  Tue Nov  7 14:41:34 2023
From: franck at sinimale.fr (=?UTF-8?Q?Franck_Sinimal=C3=A9?=)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 15:41:34 +0100
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
Message-ID: <f32d3c05-3e0f-4473-af3a-78d517d91f5e@sinimale.fr>

Hello everyone,

The last news I read on this mailing list was saying that the next step 
for EOMA68 Computing Devices project was to boot an image.

Since I'm not at this level of technique (very high for me), how could I 
help?

Sometimes, relaunching the discussion is enough to get news and take a 
step ;-)

Best,
Franck



From petercarlson79 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 09:39:08 2023
From: petercarlson79 at gmail.com (Peter Carlson)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 09:39:08 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
In-Reply-To: <f32d3c05-3e0f-4473-af3a-78d517d91f5e@sinimale.fr>
References: <f32d3c05-3e0f-4473-af3a-78d517d91f5e@sinimale.fr>
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Franck it would appear we two are the only ones monitoring this anymore.
The news appeared encouraging at last communication but silence since.
So what are we to make of this?
Thanks
Peter Carlson


On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 2:43 PM Franck Sinimalé <franck at sinimale.fr> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> The last news I read on this mailing list was saying that the next step
> for EOMA68 Computing Devices project was to boot an image.
>
> Since I'm not at this level of technique (very high for me), how could I
> help?
>
> Sometimes, relaunching the discussion is enough to get news and take a
> step ;-)
>
> Best,
> Franck
>
>
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From lkcl at lkcl.net  Wed Nov  8 09:57:02 2023
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 09:57:02 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Wednesday, November 8, 2023, Peter Carlson <petercarlson79 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Franck it would appear we two are the only ones monitoring this anymore.

no, i am still here but i am *not* going to spend my time
or energy, it is down to *you* all.

> The news appeared encouraging at last communication but silence since.
> So what are we to make of this?

simply that nobody is taking responsibility.

when i have the time and energy i will get back to it.

if anyone wants to actually get paid to work on this,
*you* can write and submit up to a EUR 50,000 NLnet
Grant request.  yes they are specifically looking
for hardware projects.

l.


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From petercarlson79 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 10:04:48 2023
From: petercarlson79 at gmail.com (Peter Carlson)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 10:04:48 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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Well my curt Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton the only two people to have
contributed any communication in months are both decidedly neither software
nor hardware proficient.
We appear to be the enthusiast "peanut gallery" Those who could help are
not doing so for their own reasons. Where do we go from here? Is it time to
close the book on this one?
Thanks
Peter Carlson


On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 9:57 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>
wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023, Peter Carlson <petercarlson79 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Franck it would appear we two are the only ones monitoring this anymore.
>
> no, i am still here but i am *not* going to spend my time
> or energy, it is down to *you* all.
>
> > The news appeared encouraging at last communication but silence since.
> > So what are we to make of this?
>
> simply that nobody is taking responsibility.
>
> when i have the time and energy i will get back to it.
>
> if anyone wants to actually get paid to work on this,
> *you* can write and submit up to a EUR 50,000 NLnet
> Grant request.  yes they are specifically looking
> for hardware projects.
>
> l.
>
>
> --
> ---
> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
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From lkcl at lkcl.net  Wed Nov  8 10:12:14 2023
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Wednesday, November 8, 2023, Peter Carlson <petercarlson79 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well my curt Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

welcome to Asperger's... and to reminding and repeating the
exact same thing for *four years* and not having anyone
really take any ******g notice except for a very few
people. (grateful: parabolath, and others)

> the only two people to have
> contributed any communication in months are both decidedly neither
software
> nor hardware proficient.
> We appear to be the enthusiast "peanut gallery" Those who could help are
> not doing so for their own reasons. Where do we go from here? Is it time
to
> close the book on this one?

a specification is never "closed".

100 of the Cards are now at Crowdsupply.

if someone, even one person, gets them a test image, 100 people
can get their cards.

if not one single person helps develop a test image *nobody*
gets s***.

very very simple and i am getting quite fed up telling people
this.

l.


-- 
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From petercarlson79 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 10:32:42 2023
From: petercarlson79 at gmail.com (Peter Carlson)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 10:32:42 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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Thank you for the explanation and update.
I am familiar with Asperger's, but also think it is important to remind
"bearers of that burden" how they come across if for no other reason than
for them to understand why they might get the kind of response they
sometimes get.

I was unaware that there are, in fact, cards at Crowd Supply. I do monitor
my account at Crowd Supply and this has not been communicated to me. If one
needs to request a card from Crowd Supply for testing purposes then perhaps
this could be communicated to the people who could help.
I am not in a position to help in any significant way. Although I could try
and get an image onto a card I am not technically proficient enough to
really accomplish much. The other hindrance to that end is I am in Africa
on a volunteer mandate so I don't have access to my most basic electronics
workbench.

My hope is that this communication may enlighten someone of the technical
"illuminati" that cards are available for testing.
Thanks
Peter Carlson


On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:12 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>
wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023, Peter Carlson <petercarlson79 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Well my curt Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
>
> welcome to Asperger's... and to reminding and repeating the
> exact same thing for *four years* and not having anyone
> really take any ******g notice except for a very few
> people. (grateful: parabolath, and others)
>
> > the only two people to have
> > contributed any communication in months are both decidedly neither
> software
> > nor hardware proficient.
> > We appear to be the enthusiast "peanut gallery" Those who could help are
> > not doing so for their own reasons. Where do we go from here? Is it time
> to
> > close the book on this one?
>
> a specification is never "closed".
>
> 100 of the Cards are now at Crowdsupply.
>
> if someone, even one person, gets them a test image, 100 people
> can get their cards.
>
> if not one single person helps develop a test image *nobody*
> gets s***.
>
> very very simple and i am getting quite fed up telling people
> this.
>
> l.
>
>
> --
> ---
> crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
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From franck at sinimale.fr  Wed Nov  8 10:49:39 2023
From: franck at sinimale.fr (=?UTF-8?Q?Franck_Sinimal=C3=A9?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 11:49:39 +0100
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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Le 08/11/2023 à 11:12, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :
> if someone, even one person, gets them a test image, 100 people
> can get their cards.

Hi, thanks for the news.

For those who are tech able AND have time+energy to make and test an 
boot image, usefull infos can be found here :

https://rhombus-tech.net/recentchanges/

and here :

https://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2023-January/016542.html

Here is an non tech able idea : may be someone here know someone or a 
community where someone could be happy to work on this test image 
challenge ?

So, exept you think it is a bad idea, I will talk about this challenge 
in the communities I am talking with.

Franck



From petercarlson79 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 11:15:13 2023
From: petercarlson79 at gmail.com (Peter Carlson)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 11:15:13 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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Thanks Franck for your commitment to this.
Thanks
Peter Carlson


On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Franck Sinimalé <franck at sinimale.fr> wrote:

> Le 08/11/2023 à 11:12, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit :
> > if someone, even one person, gets them a test image, 100 people
> > can get their cards.
>
> Hi, thanks for the news.
>
> For those who are tech able AND have time+energy to make and test an
> boot image, usefull infos can be found here :
>
> https://rhombus-tech.net/recentchanges/
>
> and here :
>
> https://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2023-January/016542.html
>
> Here is an non tech able idea : may be someone here know someone or a
> community where someone could be happy to work on this test image
> challenge ?
>
> So, exept you think it is a bad idea, I will talk about this challenge
> in the communities I am talking with.
>
> Franck
>
>
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From richard.wilbur at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 01:57:34 2023
From: richard.wilbur at gmail.com (Richard Wilbur)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 18:57:34 -0700
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 3:12 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
<lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
> if someone, even one person, gets them a test image, 100 people
> can get their cards.

Have we distilled the requirements for a test image down into a
document anywhere?
Namely, lists of what is required and what would be good or nice to
have under explicit headings?

If not I'll be happy to start a wiki page.  Looks like we need a build
of uboot and the kernel + test software to exercise the interfaces we
want to test.  Possibly with automated gathering and interpreting of
results to speed the logging and repair of problems.

Sincerely,
Richard


From lkcl at lkcl.net  Thu Nov  9 02:55:33 2023
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 02:55:33 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Thursday, November 9, 2023, Richard Wilbur <richard.wilbur at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 3:12 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> <lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
>> if someone, even one person, gets them a test image, 100 people
>> can get their cards.
>
> Have we distilled the requirements for a test image down into a
> document anywhere?

booting to linux kernel on UART console is enough.
VGA 800x600 assuming a micro-desktop board is icing on the cake.

> Namely, lists of what is required and what would be good or nice to
> have under explicit headings?
>
> If not I'll be happy to start a wiki page.  Looks like we need a build
> of uboot and the kernel + test software to exercise the interfaces we
> want to test.  Possibly with automated gathering and interpreting of
> results to speed the logging and repair of problems.

this would be fantastic.

note that even having u-boot show console output is significant
as it does basic initialisation of PLL and DDR3.

if you get that far you know the following are good:

* power
* uart
* PLL
* CPU
* DDR3
* Micro-SD

which is a heck of a lot.

l.


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From pablo at parobalth.org  Thu Nov  9 20:29:46 2023
From: pablo at parobalth.org (Pablo Rath)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:29:46 +0100
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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Am Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 02:55:33AM +0000 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023, Richard Wilbur <richard.wilbur at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 3:12 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> > <lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
> >> if someone, even one person, gets them a test image, 100 people
> >> can get their cards.
> >
> > Have we distilled the requirements for a test image down into a
> > document anywhere?
> 
> booting to linux kernel on UART console is enough.
> VGA 800x600 assuming a micro-desktop board is icing on the cake.

As we have discussed in January (2023) on this list I have a working
boot-image fullfilling the minimal requierements (U-Boot, Linux Kernel,
Debian root image on UART console) somewhere on my hard drives.
Andreas Grapentin and I have broken hardware. I don't know if Andreas
made any progress at repairing his hardware. 

So my question is: "Can anyone with working hardware test and varify my
boot-image before we send it to Crowdsupply?"
This is the crucial step right now. We can ice the cake later once 100
cards get released into the world.

Richard, am I correct that you have a working computer card and a
microdesktop in you possession. Are you willing to set it all up and
test my boot-image?

Pablo


From richard.wilbur at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 21:24:59 2023
From: richard.wilbur at gmail.com (Richard Wilbur)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:24:59 -0700
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 1:30 PM Pablo Rath <pablo at parobalth.org> wrote:
> As we have discussed in January (2023) on this list I have a working
> boot-image fullfilling the minimal requierements (U-Boot, Linux Kernel,
> Debian root image on UART console) somewhere on my hard drives.
> Andreas Grapentin and I have broken hardware. I don't know if Andreas
> made any progress at repairing his hardware.

Sorry about your busted hardware.

> So my question is: "Can anyone with working hardware test and varify my
> boot-image before we send it to Crowdsupply?"
> This is the crucial step right now. We can ice the cake later once 100
> cards get released into the world.
>
> Richard, am I correct that you have a working computer card and a
> microdesktop in you possession. Are you willing to set it all up and
> test my boot-image?

I have an untested computer card (v1.7.4) and microdesktop (v1.?, I've
got to lay eyes on it to verify the version).  I am interested in
setting it up and would be happy to test your boot-image.

(I'm also interested in being able to generate a boot image from
source.  Do you have notes on how you built it?)

I'm a few days away from being able to set things up, I believe.  Then
I can try things out, verify that my computer card works and try out
your boot image.
After that we can send the boot image to CrowdSupply.

When I can lay my hands on an oscilloscope, I intend to
carefully/gingerly test my microdesktop board.  I get the impression
from what others have written, there's a pathology with either the pcb
layout or the assembly around one of the regulator chips.  So I'd like
to observe it misbehaving without burning anything up.

Richard


From mikejackofalltrades at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 01:52:53 2023
From: mikejackofalltrades at gmail.com (Mike Henry)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 18:52:53 -0700
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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Just wanted to add that I am still excited about this project. I don’t
understand how anyone can contribute without access to the hardware. Is
there some extra sitting around that I could get ahold of (at my expense)
to test and help out?

On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 14:25 Richard Wilbur <richard.wilbur at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 1:30 PM Pablo Rath <pablo at parobalth.org> wrote:
> > As we have discussed in January (2023) on this list I have a working
> > boot-image fullfilling the minimal requierements (U-Boot, Linux Kernel,
> > Debian root image on UART console) somewhere on my hard drives.
> > Andreas Grapentin and I have broken hardware. I don't know if Andreas
> > made any progress at repairing his hardware.
>
> Sorry about your busted hardware.
>
> > So my question is: "Can anyone with working hardware test and varify my
> > boot-image before we send it to Crowdsupply?"
> > This is the crucial step right now. We can ice the cake later once 100
> > cards get released into the world.
> >
> > Richard, am I correct that you have a working computer card and a
> > microdesktop in you possession. Are you willing to set it all up and
> > test my boot-image?
>
> I have an untested computer card (v1.7.4) and microdesktop (v1.?, I've
> got to lay eyes on it to verify the version).  I am interested in
> setting it up and would be happy to test your boot-image.
>
> (I'm also interested in being able to generate a boot image from
> source.  Do you have notes on how you built it?)
>
> I'm a few days away from being able to set things up, I believe.  Then
> I can try things out, verify that my computer card works and try out
> your boot image.
> After that we can send the boot image to CrowdSupply.
>
> When I can lay my hands on an oscilloscope, I intend to
> carefully/gingerly test my microdesktop board.  I get the impression
> from what others have written, there's a pathology with either the pcb
> layout or the assembly around one of the regulator chips.  So I'd like
> to observe it misbehaving without burning anything up.
>
> Richard
>
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From lkcl at lkcl.net  Tue Nov 14 09:50:52 2023
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 09:50:52 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Tuesday, November 14, 2023, Mike Henry <mikejackofalltrades at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Just wanted to add that I am still excited about this project. I don’t
> understand how anyone can contribute without access to the hardware.

qemu.

>  Is
> there some extra sitting around that I could get ahold of (at my expense)
> to test and help out?

yes... i have a couple. i have to dig them out later as i am
currenly homeless and living in a van.

l.


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From pablo at parobalth.org  Thu Nov 16 14:02:26 2023
From: pablo at parobalth.org (Pablo Rath)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 15:02:26 +0100
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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Am Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 02:24:59PM -0700 schrieb Richard Wilbur:
[...]
> > So my question is: "Can anyone with working hardware test and varify my
> > boot-image before we send it to Crowdsupply?"
> > This is the crucial step right now. We can ice the cake later once 100
> > cards get released into the world.
> >
> > Richard, am I correct that you have a working computer card and a
> > microdesktop in you possession. Are you willing to set it all up and
> > test my boot-image?
> 
> I have an untested computer card (v1.7.4) and microdesktop (v1.?, I've
> got to lay eyes on it to verify the version).  I am interested in
> setting it up and would be happy to test your boot-image.

- The first step is to solder 3 pins (2.54 mm pitch) to the
microdesktop to later attach GND, TX, RX. The spacing in the board is designed
precisely for that. *Never* connect the VCC_IO line. 

https://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner/a20/EOMA68-A20_2-7-4_preproduction/

see section "Solder UART connection to 1.7 Micro Desktop" and especially
the link to a .jpg image (Luke soldered the cables directly to the board, but it is nicer with
pins). You should see GND (black cable), TX (blue cable) and RX (green
cable)on the USB-UART board. 

If necessary I could add an image of my microdesktop with pins.

- Second step: Do you already have the required hardware / cable for the
UART connection? I use an USB to TTL Serial Cable Adapter by
ThinkPenguin. 

- Next steps are going to be "Power Supply" (best practice is to use a Laptop, and a USB cable connected to a USB-port on the microdesktop) and "insert computer card into microdesktop" (one must be careful to get the alignment perfectly right). Everything I know has been discussed on this list but I'm going to add summaries and links to the mailing-list-archive to the Wiki.

> (I'm also interested in being able to generate a boot image from
> source.  Do you have notes on how you built it?)

Great. Yes, my notes are here:
https://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner/a20/EOMA68-A20_2-7-4_preproduction/#software
Feel free to ask me any specific questions.

> 
> I'm a few days away from being able to set things up, I believe.  Then
> I can try things out, verify that my computer card works and try out
> your boot image.
> After that we can send the boot image to CrowdSupply.

Great. Let us work on it step by step.

Pablo




From lkcl at lkcl.net  Tue Nov 21 08:24:06 2023
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:24:06 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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folks if you would like to get paid for sorting this out
NLnet is very keen to have people put in grant applications
of EUR 50,000.  a BRIEF summary of an IDEA is all that is
needed, spending more than 40 minutes on writing the application
is more than needed.

funding the next revision EOMA68 Card would be fantastic,
i suggest one with an FPGA, using the popular ECP5, based
on the ulx3s.

also fixing mcrodesktop 1.7

richard?

deadline for next application dec 1st.

l.


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From richard.wilbur at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 19:23:48 2023
From: richard.wilbur at gmail.com (Richard Wilbur)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:23:48 -0700
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:24 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
<lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
>
> folks if you would like to get paid for sorting this out
> NLnet is very keen to have people put in grant applications
> of EUR 50,000.  a BRIEF summary of an IDEA is all that is
> needed, spending more than 40 minutes on writing the application
> is more than needed.

For developing the tests for the current cards?

> funding the next revision EOMA68 Card would be fantastic,
> i suggest one with an FPGA, using the popular ECP5, based
> on the ulx3s.
>
> also fixing mcrodesktop 1.7
>
> richard?

I am definitely interested in this effort.  Having some grant money to
help with design, prototyping, and testing would be especially useful.

> deadline for next application dec 1st.

I would need some hand holding with the application process.  By the
way, are the mentioned NLnet funds available to U.S. citizens like me?
 Can I apply for the grant?

Sincerely,
Richard


From lkcl at lkcl.net  Tue Nov 21 19:53:22 2023
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:53:22 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Tuesday, November 21, 2023, Richard Wilbur <richard.wilbur at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:24 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> <lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
>>
>> folks if you would like to get paid for sorting this out
>> NLnet is very keen to have people put in grant applications
>> of EUR 50,000.  a BRIEF summary of an IDEA is all that is
>> needed, spending more than 40 minutes on writing the application
>> is more than needed.
>
> For developing the tests for the current cards?

that as well


> I would need some hand holding with the application process.

i have *10* applications online now, you can see how obvious
they are.  the tasks (milestones) come later. first thing
is "notes on why you want to do this", and seriously if
you take longer than 30 minutes something is wrong.

> By the
> way, are the mentioned NLnet funds available to U.S. citizens like me?

yyup!

>  Can I apply for the grant?

yyup!


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From richard.wilbur at gmail.com  Wed Nov 29 06:01:41 2023
From: richard.wilbur at gmail.com (Richard Wilbur)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:41 -0700
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:53 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
<lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023, Richard Wilbur <richard.wilbur at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I would need some hand holding with the application process.
>
> i have *10* applications online now, you can see how obvious
> they are.  the tasks (milestones) come later. first thing
> is "notes on why you want to do this", and seriously if
> you take longer than 30 minutes something is wrong.

Where are those 10 applications?  I am interested in taking a look at them.


From lkcl at lkcl.net  Wed Nov 29 09:10:57 2023
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 09:10:57 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Wednesday, November 29, 2023, Richard Wilbur <richard.wilbur at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:53 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> <lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023, Richard Wilbur <richard.wilbur at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I would need some hand holding with the application process.
>>
>> i have *10* applications online now, you can see how obvious
>> they are.  the tasks (milestones) come later. first thing
>> is "notes on why you want to do this", and seriously if
>> you take longer than 30 minutes something is wrong.
>
> Where are those 10 applications?  I am interested in taking a look at
them.

https://libre-soc.org/nlnet_proposals/

feel free to use them as templates, i suggest putting in under
https://nlnet.nl/propose quickly and use NGI "Core" https://nlnet.nl/core/

remember if you are typing longer than 40 minutes to put in the
application something is wrong. they want *brief* summaries
covering "why" and "what roughly planned".

*later* (4-5 weeks time) they want details, at stage 2 of the
review process.  i can walk you through it, keep in touch ok?
stage 2 you have *48 hours* to respond so have to be ready
with top-level milestones *in advance*... but not now.

also because i am indirectly involved you might be able
to request between EUR 50-100k but don't count on it, i
am hitting EU-mandated limits (after 5 years. took a while)

l.


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From lkcl at lkcl.net  Wed Nov 29 09:11:53 2023
From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 09:11:53 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] What's new at the end of 2023?
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On Wednesday, November 29, 2023, Richard Wilbur <richard.wilbur at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Where are those 10 applications?

progress and milestones:
https://bugs.libre-soc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938

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